Dianabol and the Schwarzenegger era...

[Arnoldgenes]

I was just thinking to myself the other day after reading some articles and books and I pondered: Dbol came about in 1956 form Ciba and slowly began its way into the bodybuilding world. By the mid 1960's it was a prominent staple in the Arnold, Zane era correct? Take into consideration that the drug was relatively new at this point in time and its use was experimental. Now not knowing much about the drug, other than the original package insert saying 10mgs/day was enough to provide full androgen replacement for a man, leads me to believe that they (Arnold, Lou, Franco, etc) used no PCT at all. Nolvadex wasn't readily used in bodybuilding until the late 80's and I don't believe Clomid was used until the late 70's. So this begs the question: how in the world were they able to subdue gyno, maintain their gains, and even have a positive overall effect without PCT??

[usf97j4x4]

Originally Posted by Arnoldgenes

I was just thinking to myself the other day after reading some articles and books and I pondered: Dbol came about in 1956 form Ciba and slowly began its way into the bodybuilding world. By the mid 1960's it was a prominent staple in the Arnold, Zane era correct? Take into consideration that the drug was relatively new at this point in time and its use was experimental. Now not knowing much about the drug, other than the original package insert saying 10mgs/day was enough to provide full androgen replacement for a man, leads me to believe that they (Arnold, Lou, Franco, etc) used no PCT at all. Nolvadex wasn't readily used in bodybuilding until the late 80's and I don't believe Clomid was used until the late 70's. So this begs the question: how in the world were they able to subdue gyno, maintain their gains, and even have a positive overall effect without PCT??

Yea but they probably never came off it completely. Probably jumping from one thing to the next or running it low dose to maintain between cycles.

[TerribleTowel]

A d-bol a day keeps the doctor away.

[jomi822]

Originally Posted by Arnoldgenes

I was just thinking to myself the other day after reading some articles and books and I pondered: Dbol came about in 1956 form Ciba and slowly began its way into the bodybuilding world. By the mid 1960's it was a prominent staple in the Arnold, Zane era correct? Take into consideration that the drug was relatively new at this point in time and its use was experimental. Now not knowing much about the drug, other than the original package insert saying 10mgs/day was enough to provide full androgen replacement for a man, leads me to believe that they (Arnold, Lou, Franco, etc) used no PCT at all. Nolvadex wasn't readily used in bodybuilding until the late 80's and I don't believe Clomid was used until the late 70's. So this begs the question: how in the world were they able to subdue gyno, maintain their gains, and even have a positive overall effect without PCT??

ive looked into this as well and couldnt really find any answers, but here is what i have heard suggested/put forward/claimed to be true

they took the drug (dbol) mainly in the morning- less hpta supression (dont know about this one)
arnold was known to take disturbing amount of dbol. im not quite sure what that amounts to back in those days, but ive seen doses up to 100mgs a day pondered. it wouldnt surprise me.

deca and primo were the other two main drugs these people used. from the looks of it, they were using high doses of these drugs as well. ive seen deca at up to 400mgs a week, and primo up to 1000mgs. Again, just hypothetical, but believe what you will.

and finally, they tapered the doses and finally cut it off completely. Recovery certainly wasnt 4-6 weeks for these guys, but the HPTA does come back without pct eventually. also take into account they werent using these drugs year-round.

gyno- some people got it, some didnt. thats what ive been told. franco actually ended up getting it big time and had it removed.

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by jomi822

ive looked into this as well and couldnt really find any answers, but here is what i have heard suggested/put forward/claimed to be true

they took the drug (dbol) mainly in the morning- less hpta supression (dont know about this one)
arnold was known to take disturbing amount of dbol. im not quite sure what that amounts to back in those days, but ive seen doses up to 100mgs a day pondered. it wouldnt surprise me.

deca and primo were the other two main drugs these people used. from the looks of it, they were using high doses of these drugs as well. ive seen deca at up to 400mgs a week, and primo up to 1000mgs. Again, just hypothetical, but believe what you will.

and finally, they tapered the doses and finally cut it off completely. Recovery certainly wasnt 4-6 weeks for these guys, but the HPTA does come back without pct eventually. also take into account they werent using these drugs year-round.

gyno- some people got it, some didnt. thats what ive been told. franco actually ended up getting it big time and had it removed.

Yeah and in addition, these guys didn't "cycle," they stayed on.

I'm taking 100mg/day of dbol ...I heard arnold used to take 100mg/day for 10 weeks at a time.

[usf97j4x4]

Originally Posted by Gixxer82

Yeah and in addition, these guys didn't "cycle," they stayed on.

I'm taking 100mg/day of dbol ...I heard arnold used to take 100mg/day for 10 weeks at a time.

Thats what I was eluding to in my earlier post.

Anyway, how are your enzymes doing?

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by usf97j4x4

Thats what I was eluding to in my earlier post.

Anyway, how are your enzymes doing?

No idea.

[jomi822]

my hamster's enzymes are fine on 100mgs of tren a day

[gammarayz313]

I have read on one site thru some underground exclusive that He (Arnold) ran 52 weeks a year and with no p.c.t. either dont know how credible it was but you gotta see it I was like Damn!! I think this is it: Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle

The Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle
By. Mr.X
So, you like the way Arnold looks? Those big arms, that barrel chest, those biceps that are unmatched to this day! Let’s face it, Arnold was a god among men when it came to bodybuilding.Small bones and small waist allowed him to compete at a tiny 220lbs., but look like he was 250lbs.+ The man was just amazing.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger steroids cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day
BRIDGE
Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
Most new age steroid users will ask, where is the time off? Where are the anti estrogens? Where is the PCT? Where is the Testosterone? Well, back in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s time, these things didn’t exist. People went on cycles and hoped their genetics would prevent bloat, gynecomastia and permanent testicular atrophy. Back until about 7 years ago, pyramiding steroid use was thought to be appropriate, only now we have found that it’s a waste of time because the half-life of the steroids don’t change based on dosage, so there is no point in the pyramid.

[usf97j4x4]

Arnold smoked a lot of dope too, it is really amazing he could even have kids. His "boys" musta been some roided out swimmers.