My burst cycling progress.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Travis

I think at one point 4ml's/week. The only thing I liked about it was having a 1/2 ml in my bi. That was cool, but the benefits not so much.


btw, Pudz what does your training split look like?

my trianing is not as consistent as i'd like it to be. I sorta have to change up when im working what each week due to what muscle isnt sore from the injects (glutes sometimes make leg day need to move which can move other things around) but heres what its like this week:

back and traps

off
chest and calves

biceps, triceps

off +cardio +abs

Legs

Shoulders and calves

[distilled water]

I think the studies and links for vit-B are via oral.....Im talking about the injectable Three BC

[Right Hook]

Originally Posted by distilled water

I think the studies and links for vit-B are via oral.....Im talking about the injectable Three BC

The links I posted compare oral vs inj vs sublingual. Effects were minimal at best comparing the 3.

[distilled water]

Originally Posted by Travis

The links I posted compare oral vs inj vs sublingual. Effects were minimal at best comparing the 3.

Gotcha, I didn't look at yours but I'll take your word on it.

[pudzian2]

so i decided in the interest of seriously competing, and making an overall life improvement, Im going to invest the time and effort into gynecomastia removal. I have small painful lumps from tren which arent going away and dont like the look they posses or the stubborn lower chest estrogen related fat deposits. I want everythign but pec and nipple and skin removed. I dont like the idea of having to worry about gyno. Its stupid. all the money and health risks for taking ancillaries when we can just remove the fvcking problem and fork out some cash. I know some surgeons so maybe i can get it somewhat covered (not if i go to Dr. Blau though... since hes kinda a specialist). But we'll see. His rates arent bad. -- about 3800$ but his reputation pays for itself.

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

so i decided in the interest of seriously competing, and making an overall life improvement, Im going to invest the time and effort into gynecomastia removal. I have small painful lumps from tren which arent going away and dont like the look they posses or the stubborn lower chest estrogen related fat deposits. I want everythign but pec and nipple and skin removed. I dont like the idea of having to worry about gyno. Its stupid. all the money and health risks for taking ancillaries when we can just remove the fvcking problem and fork out some cash. I know some surgeons so maybe i can get it somewhat covered (not if i go to Dr. Blau though... since hes kinda a specialist). But we'll see. His rates arent bad. -- about 3800$ but his reputation pays for itself.

hell, if you can get some of it covered, definitely do it.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Gixxer82

hell, if you can get some of it covered, definitely do it.

my thought process exactly...

im thinking of running the S-4 with IGF-1 and or GH at 2iu with slin PWO and a whole host of natty test boosters / OTC stuff. Im very excited to try the S-4.

[sfearl1]

sorry to hear about your gyno pudz. i thought you might have been able to clear that up on your own by now. luckily i've got nothing like that from tren thus far (starting on week 3 today-knock on wood). i also frontloaded caber and letro so that might have a role in it. also, i think i may have mentioned it already, but i read that running nolva alongside tren greatly increases the risk of progesterone related gyno.

good luck with getting it removed. i need to find a solution for the estro 'fatty' deposits. i'm still not low enough bf% to determine whether it is indeed just fat or not, but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is only that, fat. this past week (week 2), i've really started to notice an increase in fat loss, especially these past two days. and diet hasn't been exactly all that great these past two days. sooooooo me likey some tren

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by sfearl1

sorry to hear about your gyno pudz. i thought you might have been able to clear that up on your own by now. luckily i've got nothing like that from tren thus far (starting on week 3 today-knock on wood). i also frontloaded caber and letro so that might have a role in it. also, i think i may have mentioned it already, but i read that running nolva alongside tren greatly increases the risk of progesterone related gyno.

good luck with getting it removed. i need to find a solution for the estro 'fatty' deposits. i'm still not low enough bf% to determine whether it is indeed just fat or not, but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is only that, fat. this past week (week 2), i've really started to notice an increase in fat loss, especially these past two days. and diet hasn't been exactly all that great these past two days. sooooooo me likey some tren

i probably could have prevented it, but i didn't invest in caber or letro. I used adex. some of these ancillaries do more harm then good. people on forums and such dont tend to account for that, so the attitude is always take more drugs to counter the effects of these drugs. thats a vicious cycle if you ask me. i want all the fatty crap removed, and the glandular tissue and areoles removed so i can juice without worrying about growing boooobs. Its an investment that i think will pay itself off in some way eventually.

btw i noticed the lumps at the end of week 3. not much pain indicating a problem or anything prior to that. I think letro is better at controlling estro/prog ratios than adex and your also using caber so you should be fine man.

[pudzian2]

ew im coming OFF gear in 3 days YUCK!

PCT:

Torem+Ralox taper
Hyperdrol x2
retain 2/ PS 500mg for cortisol control beginning week 2 of PCT
Paravol and aspire 36 to make the junk work
same active as phyto-testosterone to see if that stuff works at all
S-4!!!!!