Supporting Supplements

[ItalianGuns]

So what does everyone use while on cycle? PCT?

I use (dosages everyday through pct):
Liv 52 DS: 1 cap
Hawthorne: 1000mg
Omega 3: 2000mg
Garlic Oil: 1000mg
Saw Palmetto: 900mg

Am I overdoing it? I've had a lot of people tell me that I would only need Liv 52 in there?

I stuck with this cause this is what I used for phs.

Thanks (I guess this is a question/statement)

[Right Hook]

I outline this in my log (in sig) but I'll repaste here. This is my current supplementation (add 50mg zinc pre-bed)...

Current Supplementation:


1. Approx 1.2 scoops cycle support (RYR Free version) per day spread out over the day (capped)

2. 800iu's Vit E (400 morning, 400 evening)

3. Vit C 1g (500mg morning, 500 evening)

4. B Complexe (2x/day)

5. Niacin 1.5g Flush version (500mg spread out 3x/day)

6. 200mcg Selenium (morning)

7. 2-3g's Hawthorne Berries (spread out over the day)

8. 1.2-1.8g's Green Tea 50% EGCG (spread out 300mg's/cap)

9. 3-6mg's Melatonin (pre-bed)

10. 2g's Bulk Fish Oil before each meal

[Gixxer82]

who needs supporting supps? vaginas, thats who...oh hi tarvis

[Right Hook]

Originally Posted by Gixxer82

who needs supporting supps? vaginas, thats who...oh hi tarvis

Lets post bloodwork, see who is healthier. Pffffft, OWNED.

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by Travis

Lets post bloodwork, see who is healthier. Pffffft, OWNED.

Lets step on a scale, see who is swole-er. pffft...OWNED.

[DR_C]

Originally Posted by ItalianGuns

So what does everyone use while on cycle? PCT?

I use (dosages everyday through pct):
Liv 52 DS: 1 cap
Hawthorne: 1000mg
Omega 3: 2000mg
Garlic Oil: 1000mg
Saw Palmetto: 900mg

Am I overdoing it? I've had a lot of people tell me that I would only need Liv 52 in there?

I stuck with this cause this is what I used for phs.

Thanks (I guess this is a question/statement)

The answer really depends on what you are using on cycle. You mentioned you carried this list over from PH cycles. As they are orals and mostly 17aa, there is some concern regarding issues not as critical with long ester injectable.

For example, long ester injectable test (which should be the base of every bulking cycle) and a complement like EQ would not require much off of your list.

Personally, on a Test/EQ cycle of 750 mg/400mg weekly for 16-20 weeks, I'd use...

1. A-dex (.5 mg eod)
2. Finistride (1.25 mg taken twice a day spaced about 12 hours appart)

Of course, I use finistride at .75 mg twice daily when not on cycle. also use 2.5 mg of a statin daily.

Give me some more information on the specifics of your cycle and I'll try to help more.

Regards,

[ItalianGuns]

Originally Posted by DR_C

The answer really depends on what you are using on cycle. You mentioned you carried this list over from PH cycles. As they are orals and mostly 17aa, there is some concern regarding issues not as critical with long ester injectable.

For example, long ester injectable test (which should be the base of every bulking cycle) and a complement like EQ would not require much off of your list.

Personally, on a Test/EQ cycle of 750 mg/400mg weekly for 16-20 weeks, I'd use...

1. A-dex (.5 mg eod)
2. Finistride (1.25 mg taken twice a day spaced about 12 hours appart)

Of course, I use finistride at .75 mg twice daily when not on cycle. also use 2.5 mg of a statin daily.

Give me some more information on the specifics of your cycle and I'll try to help more.

Regards,

Well, thinking about a 500/500 or Test E/Eq for 10 weeks. Kick start with dbol at 30mg a day for the first four weeks, let about 4 more weeks go by, then to cut 75mg of promagnon for six weeks (have done this with halo before, so should be similar). Only thing that worries me is the bp, as I know the liver and kidneys will be fine with liv 52 ds. Also, from the end of the dbol to the start of promagnon, I would be taking two liv 52 ds pills a day. I am just wondering if I do have too much. Like garlic oil. Is it really necessary if I have fish oil?

I've ran these sup. supps for about 4-6 ph cycles, and they worked great. Perfect health and blood work.

[DR_C]

Originally Posted by ItalianGuns

Well, thinking about a 500/500 or Test E/Eq for 10 weeks. Kick start with dbol at 30mg a day for the first four weeks, let about 4 more weeks go by, then to cut 75mg of promagnon for six weeks (have done this with halo before, so should be similar). Only thing that worries me is the bp, as I know the liver and kidneys will be fine with liv 52 ds. Also, from the end of the dbol to the start of promagnon, I would be taking two liv 52 ds pills a day. I am just wondering if I do have too much. Like garlic oil. Is it really necessary if I have fish oil?

I've ran these sup. supps for about 4-6 ph cycles, and they worked great. Perfect health and blood work.

Good questions. If I may ask one more what are your goals with this cycle?

If its bulking, I drop the orals on the front end and simple extend the duration of the Test/EQ. Ten weeks is a short cycle for these injectable wit hlong ester. It would be the 4th or 5th week before the blood levels actually reach a significant level to exert a serious muscle building effect. By then, you are looking at another 5 weeks before you can the cycle. If you extend the duration and run the injectable cycle out to 16 weeks, you are looking at 10+ weeks of muscle-build blood levels after you reach a solid state around the 4th or 5th week.

Personally, I am not a big fan of the fish oils. There are published studies that document high levels of certian types of fish oils can have a similar effect on retarding protien synthsis as NSAIDs.

Also, remember, using an injectable only stack is far less taxing on the liver than PH or other orals.

Regards,

[ItalianGuns]

Originally Posted by DR_C

Good questions. If I may ask one more what are your goals with this cycle?

If its bulking, I drop the orals on the front end and simple extend the duration of the Test/EQ. Ten weeks is a short cycle for these injectable wit hlong ester. It would be the 4th or 5th week before the blood levels actually reach a significant level to exert a serious muscle building effect. By then, you are looking at another 5 weeks before you can the cycle. If you extend the duration and run the injectable cycle out to 16 weeks, you are looking at 10+ weeks of muscle-build blood levels after you reach a solid state around the 4th or 5th week.

Personally, I am not a big fan of the fish oils. There are published studies that document high levels of certian types of fish oils can have a similar effect on retarding protien synthsis as NSAIDs.

Also, remember, using an injectable only stack is far less taxing on the liver than PH or other orals.

Regards,

Thanks for the detailed answers!

This would be the first dark cycle, so 10 weeks just to test drive it. I'm about 7-6% bf, 185Ilbs, 6'0ft, pretty much have to bulk. Goal is to bench 330 close grip (now, bout 275-285 reps of 3-4), as this is the only bench I do, close grip.

One of the reasons that aas is being taken into consideration is the fact that i'm done gaining "maybe" 30-40 pounds a year (3-4 safe cycles) with my liver exploding, my levels on everything roller coasting, etc. Phs are a good starting point, but moving on, with precautions, seems worth it. liv 52 ds will be taken, so are the hawthorne berries and the saw palmetto. Fish oil, garlic oil........seems like a waste? Or unnecessary?

Thanks again, I appreciated.

[DR_C]

Originally Posted by ItalianGuns

Thanks for the detailed answers!

This would be the first dark cycle, so 10 weeks just to test drive it. I'm about 7-6% bf, 185Ilbs, 6'0ft, pretty much have to bulk. Goal is to bench 330 close grip (now, bout 275-285 reps of 3-4), as this is the only bench I do, close grip.

One of the reasons that aas is being taken into consideration is the fact that i'm done gaining "maybe" 30-40 pounds a year (3-4 safe cycles) with my liver exploding, my levels on everything roller coasting, etc. Phs are a good starting point, but moving on, with precautions, seems worth it. liv 52 ds will be taken, so are the hawthorne berries and the saw palmetto. Fish oil, garlic oil........seems like a waste? Or unnecessary?

Thanks again, I appreciated.

I think you are right - PH are a decent choice for those who want to remain on the legal side of things. My personal opinion is that too many folks misuse PH. Two cycles of 3-4 weeks at a stint with a PH in a year is more than enough. I see way too many guys now running 8 week cycles of this, that, and the other thing, in a complete shotgun fashion. They take a month off and bang right back on to another cycle.

Ok, enough of that...

I applaud you for your understanding of support supps and dilligence to take the necessary precautions.

Ok, here are a couple of things from your list I would not recommend you use. I am sure many will disagree but please understand that my opinion holds for ONLY injectable cycles (non-orals) of AAS NOT PH and is based on my reading and review of published medical literature.

1. Liv 52 is based on Milk Thistle. In several studies, Milk Thistle has been shown to also mimic NSAID in its ability to retard protien synthsis.
2. Saw Palmetto - if you are using it as a DHT block to prevent MPB, it