Test. Susp. = Winny in homebrew?

[ItalianGuns]

Just like it states.....would one follow the procedure of winny to make test. susp?
I'm just wondering considering they have different melting points and the molecular weight is different. Maybe add more BA? The directions are for 50mg/ml. Also, i've heard that for water bases it's best to make 1 grams at a time to keep it from crashing? And to let it sit for about a week (this is not a problem) to make sure it does not crash?

Anyway, if someone wants me to post the recipe, if it's allowed, just ask.

Thanks for the help.

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by ItalianGuns

Just like it states.....would one follow the procedure of winny to make test. susp?
I'm just wondering considering they have different melting points and the molecular weight is different. Maybe add more BA? The directions are for 50mg/ml. Also, i've heard that for water bases it's best to make 1 grams at a time to keep it from crashing? And to let it sit for about a week (this is not a problem) to make sure it does not crash?

Anyway, if someone wants me to post the recipe, if it's allowed, just ask.

Thanks for the help.

I just looked and couldn't find a good recipe, you're more than welcome to post yours up...

as for letting it sit for a week, totally unnecessary, it wouldn't take a week for it to crash, if its gonna crash, it will crash within hours, if not right away.

[ItalianGuns]

"I know there are a few guys on this board that brew their own stuff. For them, and anyone interested, I'm going to share some recent recipes. I've tried making oil solutions of test no ester and winstrol, but they always seemed to crash. Took some time experimenting with water-based suspensions and came up with the following. Both of these are virtually pain-free and flow through a 27g very easily, though I'd imagine the flow would have to do more with the purity of the crystals than anything.

Test suspension 100mg/ml, 20ml
Winstrol suspension 50mg/ml, 20ml

6ml BB (30%)
1ml BA (5%)
2ml Guaiacol (10%)
1ml PS80 (5%)
2g TNE or 1g Winny powder
8ml distilled water for TNE or 9ml for Winny

Add powder and solvents in beaker, heat until dissolved (~5-10min), let cool (it should not crash). Filter into sterile vial. Either get a new filter for the water or clear out the old one with .5-1ml PEG (I use .5 ml PEG 300, also be sure to subtract amount from water and/or use less BB in solvents). That's it!

You could probably do without the Guaiacol. I had to use it for the Winny to dissolve, and didn't try TNE without it. You can also lower the BB to 20%, though between this and messing the the guaiacol levels it might effect the solubility of mixed solvents, resulting in less product dissolving completely. This is just what I did and it seems to work quite well."

~Posted by Schwarzenegger on another forum
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"I'll start with some harder to convert items.

Winstrol Suspension
20ml @ 50mg/ml
Ingredients.
1. 1g of stanozolol powder
2. 4ml of benzyl benzoate
3. 1ml of benzyl alcohol
4. .5ml of poly sorbate 80
5. 13.25ml of distilled water

Combine the hormone with the solvents and the polysorbate 80. Heat 'till dissolved and allow to cool, it should not crash.
Filter this solution into your vial. You may want to have 3ml of some peg400 or similar liquid handy to flush the filter out after you're done, do not use water.
Then using a different filter, filter in the distilled water swirling gently the while doing so.
After you've capped the vial shake the living heck out of it.
You now have fairly painless winny suspension that should flow easily through a slin pin, both ways."

~Posted by ratmonkey
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"Winstrol

Note: there is a tendency to ruin the product during conversion so only use one gram at a time

Powder: 1 gram
Produces: 20 ml at 50 mg/ml

Requirements:
1 gram of winstrol
one 20 ml glass vial or larger
one 20 ml sterile glass vial or larger
one 0.45 Whatman sterile syringe filter
two 5 or 10 ml syringes
two 3 ml syringes
three 18 or 20 gauge pins
two 22 gauge pins
17 ml of sesame seed oil
0.2 ml of benzyl alcohol
2 ml of Mr.T super solvent

Procedure:
measure one gram of powder
draw out 2 ml of the Mr. T super solvent using one of the 3 ml syringes
place the measured powder in the open vial and add the solvent
place the rubber stopper back on the vial and put one of the 20 gauge pins in the stopper
place the vial in a small pan and place the pan on the eye of the stove
heat until the powder dissolves into a liquid (usually around 239.8-242 degrees F)
turn off the heat and let it cool down in the pan to room temperature (approx. 15 minutes)
heat the oil in a suitable container in the oven until it reaches a minimum of 212 degrees F to sterilise it (it will be necessary to use slightly more oil than is required as all of it will not be able to be utilised)
draw out 0.2 ml of benzyl alcohol (this will account for 1% of the solution so make sure the measurement is correct)
add the benzyl alcohol to the solution in the vial and shake very gently
draw out the oil with the 10 ml syringe (make sure the oil has cooled down somewhat before doing this)
add 15 ml of the oil (saving 2 ml for later) to the solution in the vial and shake very gently Note: If the winstrol begins to clump back up, reheat the solution (place in a pan, put the pan on the eye of the stove and heat until it liquefies again) and allow it to cool down slowly
place one of the 18 gauge pins in the sterile, unopened vial and attach the Whatman sterile filter
draw out the solution using the other 10 ml syringe, attach to the filter, and slowly press the solution out into the sterile vial
use the previously saved 2 ml of oil in the other syringe and run it through the filter to ensure that all the Winstrol passes through
after the filtering process, leave the pin in the sterile vial and remove the filter
place the vial in a pan and place the pan on the eye of the stove
heat for 15-20 minutes, remove from heat, and let it cool down to room temperature (approx. 15 minutes)

The finished solution will be light-gold in colour.
Ensure that you follow the guidelines carefully for this conversion."

~Posted by illuminati

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There, those are the three I have. The first one uses Guaiacol......which I am not familiar with. It also includes the Test. Base. recipe. (same one, just 100m/ml)

The second one seems a little short, but what do I know.......

The third seems a little more in depth......

[Gixxer82]

Test suspension 100mg/ml, 20ml
Winstrol suspension 50mg/ml, 20ml

6ml BB (30%)
1ml BA (5%)
2ml Guaiacol (10%)
1ml PS80 (5%)
2g TNE or 1g Winny powder
8ml distilled water for TNE or 9ml for Winny

This is definitely a good recipe, I saw some knowledgeable guys referring to a recipe with all those ingredients..I'd say go for it.

[ItalianGuns]

Originally Posted by Gixxer82

Test suspension 100mg/ml, 20ml
Winstrol suspension 50mg/ml, 20ml

6ml BB (30%)
1ml BA (5%)
2ml Guaiacol (10%)
1ml PS80 (5%)
2g TNE or 1g Winny powder
8ml distilled water for TNE or 9ml for Winny

This is definitely a good recipe, I saw some knowledgeable guys referring to a recipe with all those ingredients..I'd say go for it.

Thanks, I appreciate the response.

Any idea if the Guaiacol is needed?

"You could probably do without the Guaiacol. I had to use it for the Winny to dissolve, and didn't try TNE without it."

[ItalianGuns]

BUMP to the previously asked question**

Is guiacawhatever needed for this recipe. The writer states that you could do without it.......anyone make winny with just bb and ba and ps80?

Thanks