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musclebuilder52 · 05-22-2008, 01:38 PM

New to (AAS) is Deca and test a bad run for my first cycle 24 5'8 187lbs 15 or 16% BF??

usf97j4x4 · 05-22-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by musclebuilder52

New to (AAS) is Deca and test a bad run for my first cycle 24 5'8 187lbs 15 or 16% BF??

Bro you need to research these things some on your own and come at us with specific questions. I dont have time to slap together cycles and PCTs for you.

But no, deca is not a good first time PH. Test solo is the best bet.

ENIGMA · 02:42 PM

What are your goals? I would not recommend deca in a first cycle. If your diet and training is in check the test will give you some really good size/ strength gains.

A good beginner cycle would look something like this:

Week 1-12 Test Enanthate at 500mg/wk
Week 1-12 Proviron at 25-50mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol at 20-40mg/wk (this isnt a necessity, but it will jump start the gains early in the cycle)
Week 13 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 14 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 15 Nolva at 30mg/day
Week 16 Nolva at 20mg/day
Week 17 Nolva at 10-20mg/day(if needed)

musclebuilder52 · 05-22-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by usf97j4x4

Bro you need to research these things some on your own and come at us with specific questions. I dont have time to slap together cycles and PCTs for you.

But no, deca is not a good first time PH. Test solo is the best bet.

Well isnt that why your here to help people well anyways thanks for the help....

musclebuilder52 · 05-22-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ENIGMA

What are your goals? I would not recommend deca in a first cycle. If your diet and training is in check the test will give you some really good size/ strength gains.

A good beginner cycle would look something like this:

Week 1-12 Test Enanthate at 500mg/wk
Week 1-12 Proviron at 25-50mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol at 20-40mg/wk (this isnt a necessity, but it will jump start the gains early in the cycle)
Week 13 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 14 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 15 Nolva at 30mg/day
Week 16 Nolva at 20mg/day
Week 17 Nolva at 10-20mg/day(if needed)

thanks for the help man appreciate it all like i said ive read up and was asking some1 with more experience since not everything on the internet you read is always true so would the Nolva at the last 4/5 weeks be my PCT or would i have to throw some more in and just in case i start getting gyno should i have something on hand?

ENIGMA · 05-23-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by musclebuilder52

thanks for the help man appreciate it all like i said ive read up and was asking some1 with more experience since not everything on the internet you read is always true so would the Nolva at the last 4/5 weeks be my PCT or would i have to throw some more in and just in case i start getting gyno should i have something on hand?

yes the nolva doses i have listed is for your pct. And yes make sure you have ALL of your pct stuff on hand before you start your cycle. I would recommend having an extra bottle of nolva on hand just in case. If you start seeing signs of gyno, take 15-20mg of nolva a day until symptoms go down.

musclebuilder52 · 05-23-2008, 09:10 AM

Thanks again for the help... Hope to see some good results 1 more thing what is so bad with the deca? People say that is helps joints while building mass...

usf97j4x4 · 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by musclebuilder52

Well isnt that why your here to help people well anyways thanks for the help....

Help yes... hold hands... no. There is a VAST amount of knowledge out on the internet about AAS cycles. You need to learn the basics on your on. I have no problem helping with specifics.

check steroid.com isteroids etc etc - these sites have a lot of information and are a good start.

usf97j4x4 · 05-23-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ENIGMA

What are your goals? I would not recommend deca in a first cycle. If your diet and training is in check the test will give you some really good size/ strength gains.

A good beginner cycle would look something like this:

Week 1-12 Test Enanthate at 500mg/wk
Week 1-12 Proviron at 25-50mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol at 20-40mg/wk (this isnt a necessity, but it will jump start the gains early in the cycle)
Week 13 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 14 Nolva at 40mg/day
Week 15 Nolva at 30mg/day
Week 16 Nolva at 20mg/day
Week 17 Nolva at 10-20mg/day(if needed)

Actually if you stop the testosterone at week 12 you really wouldnt need to start the SERM until week 14 as testosterone enanthate has a very long half life. I personally wouldn't run Nolva for 6 weeks and I also would not exceed 20 mg/day. I would have some Nolva on hand but I prefer Clomid for PCT as it is MUCH better at restarting HPTA.

In lieu of using proviron, I would instead consider adding in some Arimidex during the cycle, probably 0.25 mg/day or 0.25 mg/every other day to counter any possibly bloating.