Test Cyp and a transdermal (TD)

[medictool]

Currently been on HRT for almost 12 years after being caught up in an explosion that contained Dioxin/PCBs, thus FUBARed my thyroid, hormones, etc. My HRT is a special compounded 15% test, high dose DHEA, Progest and a few other goodies. Though it is a very good product and my levels can go as high easily over 300ng/dl, the product definitely does not "act" in the same manner as a pinned version. Transdermals, this one in particular is a soy based derivitive that has a AE built within, never an estrogen issue physically or on labs. You get some decent results but, it is not the in the same league.

Stats: 46 y.o, 6' 0, 205lbs, BF approx 14% lifted for many, many years all natural, built myself up from 160 to 205 @8%bf before getting roasted...so it goes, that's life.

Currently just coming off of a nasty shoulder repair with 2 ligments reattached, bicep insertion tear and 6 tears in the rotator up to 6mm, plus a host of other things to make that shoulder better.

Everything is good now and coming back is a bitch. Strength, gains..all hard to work back and to be frank, I rather not drag ass anymore.

If one was to run Test Cyp, I need to get a bead on a pct. I have been reading and reading until it is all a blur anymore because there are so many varied opinions, and I do things on a very straight and basic plain that are proven and productive. Looking at Cyp somewhere around 500mg split up x2 weekly. I have some options that may prove to be interesting which is I can run the TD I already take with the built in AE on a ED basis, but maybe that will run some interference..maybe. I can run a cycle and then pct with the TD at my normal ED dosage, seeing how I am not producing anyways hence a different type of taper that never ends.. regardless I will need to cover myself with an AE in the event and the name Formestane has popped up quite a few times. Again, I have done some considerable homework but, a lot of very different opinions.

Lastly, I can actually go long term with Cyp in the 150-250mg range. I do know a number of people whom have been very long term on this (over 2 years non stop) without an AE, with no side effects i:s; liver, LSH, EDL, etc getting jacked...labs prove that monthly. It may be an option I may opt for and they all have pulled some significant size and no puffiness, etc att he lower.longer run protocol... food for thought.

[Gixxer82]

if you are on HRT, PCT would be a waste of time --- I don't really get what you're asking

[medictool]

Having been on HRTs a very long time, having been a guinea pig for several pharms and their deveolpement of HRT, having trialed numerous HRT that never made it to market and having an MD that is one of the pioneers for HRT and helped other pharms in their developement, HRTs are not the same as true Test. My MD has even gone as far as to threaten and drop me as a client if I was to go to an AAS. Yes they both raise Test, blah, blah..but the interactions, etc are not the same and yes the true stuff works on muscle mass much better. I have had free and bound levels through the roof, so more is not better and the lab numbers (if you go by them) would dictate something more. HRTs, serve a purpose and do a good job for the average person in need, but it leaves me unfulfilled.

What am I after? Simply to get back to where I was. Granted, I am fighting factors based around age, injuries and toxins in my system but, why not try. I have since my incident had a very high level of free T, extremely high and a low bound. Dioxin was an unknown for the better part on the endocrine system though Vietnam used it heavily in the form of Agent Orange. It is a an endocrine disruptor, it binds at the receptor sites for hormones and has a molecular structure that is similar, allowing it to attach ore readily. Adipose tissue testing showed the levels and working with some pioneers of reducing/eradicating I went on a Olestra binge to purge it. Olestra was the fat mimicer that potatoe chips where made with a while back, and Dioxin has a love for fat, therefore it would leach out of the fat and attach to the Olestra and expelled from the body. It worked very well but, as long as fat is in your body, it too shall be. because so many people are sterile, etc and tests are showing everyone is building up Dioxin in their systems, Olestra may make it back again. Just some simple fun facts from a guinea pig.

Conclusion: I am tired of working out hard, dieting like a mad man and getting nothing back in return. I know my body very well and I want to run a trial and see what occurs, plain and simple. As with all trials, I need a safety measure and that is a decent pct. I have not followed the AAS world for quite some time and now I want to make a change and everyone seems to have their own recipe for a pct and I would like to see what you recommend. Yes, this thread is definitely off the beaten path, but the reality is that I think we will be seeing more threads as such once people realize what is in their bodies as they age and why so many problems any more. having worked with UCSF, Stanford, USC, UCLA, 3 diferent pharm manufacturers, the subject of many lectures and documents via MDs, Enviromentetal Hygienists, etc..I know a few things.

[ItalianGuns]

Originally Posted by medictool

Having been on HRTs a very long time, having been a guinea pig for several pharms and their deveolpement of HRT, having trialed numerous HRT that never made it to market and having an MD that is one of the pioneers for HRT and helped other pharms in their developement, HRTs are not the same as true Test. My MD has even gone as far as to threaten and drop me as a client if I was to go to an AAS. Yes they both raise Test, blah, blah..but the interactions, etc are not the same and yes the true stuff works on muscle mass much better. I have had free and bound levels through the roof, so more is not better and the lab numbers (if you go by them) would dictate something more. HRTs, serve a purpose and do a good job for the average person in need, but it leaves me unfulfilled.

What am I after? Simply to get back to where I was. Granted, I am fighting factors based around age, injuries and toxins in my system but, why not try. I have since my incident had a very high level of free T, extremely high and a low bound. Dioxin was an unknown for the better part on the endocrine system though Vietnam used it heavily in the form of Agent Orange. It is a an endocrine disruptor, it binds at the receptor sites for hormones and has a molecular structure that is similar, allowing it to attach ore readily. Adipose tissue testing showed the levels and working with some pioneers of reducing/eradicating I went on a Olestra binge to purge it. Olestra was the fat mimicer that potatoe chips where made with a while back, and Dioxin has a love for fat, therefore it would leach out of the fat and attach to the Olestra and expelled from the body. It worked very well but, as long as fat is in your body, it too shall be. because so many people are sterile, etc and tests are showing everyone is building up Dioxin in their systems, Olestra may make it back again. Just some simple fun facts from a guinea pig.

Conclusion: I am tired of working out hard, dieting like a mad man and getting nothing back in return. I know my body very well and I want to run a trial and see what occurs, plain and simple. As with all trials, I need a safety measure and that is a decent pct. I have not followed the AAS world for quite some time and now I want to make a change and everyone seems to have their own recipe for a pct and I would like to see what you recommend. Yes, this thread is definitely off the beaten path, but the reality is that I think we will be seeing more threads as such once people realize what is in their bodies as they age and why so many problems any more. having worked with UCSF, Stanford, USC, UCLA, 3 diferent pharm manufacturers, the subject of many lectures and documents via MDs, Enviromentetal Hygienists, etc..I know a few things.

So you're basically asking for a pct for a test cyp cycle along side the hrt?
If a simple pct plan is what you are looking for I think most would say clomid at 300 first day, 100mg the rest of the week every day, 75mg every day for week 2, and 50mg every day for week three. Some nolva or arimx.......my rat has exp with nolva along side clomid by running the nolva at 40/40/20/20 (each day for the first week 40mg, then 40mg each day for the second.......). Use hcg only after long cycle like 16+ weeks, and I think it's something like 1000iu's everyday once pct starts. Remember the cyp stays in your body like 10 days???? after last inj.(I think, double check through).

The best place to look for a good pct and understand it is under Dr. C's HCG post. Great info and I would suggest reading it so you understand the logistics of that pct.