Dinoiii's Fatty Acid Recommendations

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Look around - it is relatively "cheap" at certain places.


D_

so my next meal is ok then?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by kplayon

D_ I know you use to be a MAN rep, so what are your thoughts on Vaporize? I took 3-6 softgels daily with 6-8 Tonalin CLA's daily.

Well - reality, a qualified depends. Sesamin certainly incorporates both fish oil (in version 3 anyway - NOT the flax version prior) and sesamin. Rationale for positives is at the level of PPAR level. When comparing it on a hormonal level, one could question the hormonal offering as it has been suggested pro-estrogenic at the ER level (mind you, not in vivo - kind of like progesterone-effects of gugul). However, we do know that people who use comparatively different tallies suffer from worse insulin control (again, secondary to PPAR-agonistic activity). So I would say I like Fish oil and Sesamin for what its worth.

From a body comp standpoint; provided diet is truly in order - I think you'd get more bang for your buck with the right concentration of CLA (forget total grams - it comes down to levels of cis 9, trans 11 and trans 10, cis 12 isomers and what you are trying to accomplish) and as such, I would actually increase my level of concentration of CLA versus incorporating something like Sesamin if not getting response (again - outside of health status).

Now, from a ketogenic diet perspective, you can reach ketosis apparently "sooner" WITH SESAMIN so it may be of some assistance with that type of diet as well though I call to question its oxidative potential, but that is certainly a subject for another day (likely well beyond the scope of this post).

Originally Posted by Spetsnaz

Oops, its 2mg.
Was on 2000 cals a day with the TT/TC. (I have tried 2500 cals for 2 weeks without gaining weight so 2000 is a deficit). Loss only 3mm at the abs after. Rest came from elsewhere. I was wondering why my calves were so defined. I measured and the girth was less... hehe. BUT I WANT MY AB FAT GONE!!! I can live with less defined calves.

Now am about 1800 cals. Workout is 3 full body a week on a HST schedule.

I would say, 7-keto and forslean is almost as thermogenic TT/TC twice a day at 300mg/75mg as u indicated in a post. 5 more weeks of training and my EFA stash will run out. Can make an evaluation then.

2 "milli"grams is essentially next to nothing, I am hoping you mean 2 GRAMS. If not, please re-evaluate my protocol. Many pills and potions on the market start at 500mg, so 3mg is somewhat off. Please clarify.

You caloric "deficit" is relative if you won't give me a starting point...if you abruptly cut from 2500-->2000, this is not exactly going to do much outside of potentially slow hypothalamic functioning. I am mildly concerned with the systematic appraisal here.

Originally Posted by Spetsnaz

Am paying attention to calories, currently only 1 solid meal and the rest are protein shakes.
16mm at the abs using calipers. Want it down to 10mm at the end of this training cycle.
Think I will use H-Drol next. Cheaper than 11-oxo as seems to be a surer thing for most people.

NO! Please eat more! Understand that actual CHEWING stimulates many of the digestive enzymes necessary to promote adequate bowel and absorptive competence and availability.

Originally Posted by g_lee

I dont believe Dinoiii was a rep but merely aided in a product development consultation role........

You sir, are correct.




D_

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by THEHUGE

so my next meal is ok then?

With slightly bigger fish, bark, and CLA vats - perhaps it is.


D_

[dan_napier]

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to say thanks to Dr. Houser. This is my first time posting, but I have been reading, learning, and enjoying your material for a while now. So thanks!

My question has to do with fish oil consumption. I might have just missed it somewhere, but I am unclear on whether I should consume 3g EPA+DHA all at once, or in multiple doses throughout the day, with meals for instance.

Also, I was wondering if anyone knew if the CLA at bulknutrition.com is the tonalin version. It is 1000 mg at 70%, 1000 pills for $60.

Thanks in advance,
Dan

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by dan_napier

Hey everyone,

First off, I want to say thanks to Dr. Houser. This is my first time posting, but I have been reading, learning, and enjoying your material for a while now. So thanks!

My question has to do with fish oil consumption. I might have just missed it somewhere, but I am unclear on whether I should consume 3g EPA+DHA all at once, or in multiple doses throughout the day, with meals for instance.

Also, I was wondering if anyone knew if the CLA at bulknutrition.com is the tonalin version. It is 1000 mg at 70%, 1000 pills for $60.

Thanks in advance,
Dan

For the Fish Oil (3g combined EPA / DHA) I myself usually take half in the morning and half at dinner, I believe dino has said it doesn't really matter if you take them all at once. I think dividing them up though makes more sense as it will keep blood concentrations of the EPA / DHA more stable.

Don't know about the bulknut CLA, if you are not sure, just email them I suppose.

[Spetsnaz]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

2 "milli"grams is essentially next to nothing, I am hoping you mean 2 GRAMS. If not, please re-evaluate my protocol. Many pills and potions on the market start at 500mg, so 3mg is somewhat off. Please clarify.

You caloric "deficit" is relative if you won't give me a starting point...if you abruptly cut from 2500-->2000, this is not exactly going to do much outside of potentially slow hypothalamic functioning. I am mildly concerned with the systematic appraisal here.

NO! Please eat more! Understand that actual CHEWING stimulates many of the digestive enzymes necessary to promote adequate bowel and absorptive competence and availability.
D_

From week 1 to 5, fat loss was slow...
So for weeks 6, 7 and 8 (that was last week), I decided to knock the calorie intake down to 1500 to 1800 and once every 7 days, I eat to about maintenance level . Took only 1 solid meal and the rest was micellar/whey blend. Cut milk to only 1 serving, drink the rest with water only.

It was then that some of the fat weight came off. Kept muscle and grew a little in the arms. I have to say energy to finished a workout became an issue. Coped by taking longer breaks between sets. Though this might also be due to coming off ATD at the end of week 4.

I believe Sesamin density is 1 ml = 1g. In the last 2 weeks, I decided to up it to 6ml a day or 6g. Using Primaforce.

Will go on H-Drol next. Still have some Tonalin CLA left (about a month worth and guarana), will resume this coming Monday. On a 1 week break (HST protocol), from exercise and diet. Munch munch.

Can't say I am a Tonalin CLA responder or it was doing things more in terms of keeping lbm or something. Probably wouldn't be using further, popping 15 caps a day is a chore.

Sesamin and fish oil is ok to use, I use 70% concentration for fish oil that's only 4 caps of 1400ml ea to get at least 3g of EPA/DHA.

[dan_napier]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

For the Fish Oil (3g combined EPA / DHA) I myself usually take half in the morning and half at dinner, I believe dino has said it doesn't really matter if you take them all at once. I think dividing them up though makes more sense as it will keep blood concentrations of the EPA / DHA more stable.

Don't know about the bulknut CLA, if you are not sure, just email them I suppose.

Thanks for the help

[Dala3]

Hi doc:

This is one great, detailed article and I've read and re-read it trying to grasp the info despite my lack of knowledge on some..medical... terms. Does your recommended servings also pertain to females? I'm assuming the article is geared toward men. (Give away: "< 150 pounds: gain more weight!!!!")

I'm 155 lbs and 5'7, and am very interested in stacking EAS Tonalin CLA at 1.5mgs, Fish & Sesamin oil. Sooo, on a daily basis, according to your article, someone of my weight should consume:

2 grams EPA + DHA
8-10 grams CLA
500 mg Sesamin 3 times per day
(Just making sure since pill popping always gets me a bit wary.)

You also stated in your article that aerobics "..can throw the cortisol ratio out of whack if you're not careful". Can you further explain this?

Lastly, will taking the sesamin oil reverse the "ill" effects (if any) of CLA to the kidneys and liver?

I might also take that guarana.... (geez, seems like the more I research this particular type of stacking, i'd have to purchase more and more pills! lol)

Once again, superb and hella elaborate article!

Thanks in advance,

Josy

[pdelta]

Olive oil converts cholesterol more easily into testosterone


The more fat you eat, the more testosterone your body produces. More fat, more testosterone. The best source of testosterone boosting fat, Argentinean researchers concluded a year ago after a study on rats, is olive oil. The same researchers have now published the results of another animal study in Lipids,
which shows how olive oil increases the production of testosterone. Olive oil helps the testes to absorb more cholesterol.


The researchers, working at the Instituto de Investigaciones Bioquimicas de La Plata, did an experiment with male rats. For sixty days, the rats were given feed to which seventy grams of soya oil [S], olive oil [O], coconut oil [C] or grapeseed oil [G] per kilogram had been added. At the end of the period the researchers measured how much testosterone the animals were producing. The figure below shows that coconut oil and olive oil were the best testosterone boosters.












The testes of the rats that had had olive oil added to their feed were also heavier. Because the grapeseed oil diet produced the same results as the soya oil diet, we have left that column out of the table below.










The Argentineans described how this happens a year ago. Olive oil and coconut oil increase the activity of the 3beta-HSD and 17beta-HSD enzymes. These are involved in the manufacture of testosterone. Olive oil and coconut oil also raise the concentration of the body’s own antioxidants in the Leydig cells, which produce testosterone. In the present study, the researchers went a step further. They found a relationship between the diet, the amount of free cholesterol in the Leydig cells and the testosterone level.










The Leydig cells make testosterone from cholesterol. A diet that is rich in coconut oil or olive oil apparently helps the cells to absorb more cholesterol. The cells are also more able to extract the cholesterol from its ester. The more free cholesterol a Leydig cell has available, and the less estered cholesterol there is in a cell, the higher the rate of testosterone production.










So natural athletes could optimise their testosterone production by making olive oil their main form of fat. Another nutritional strategy that might help is to eat cranberries. Cranberries increase the uptake of cholesterol by the testes.


Source:
Lipids. 2009 Apr;44(4):345-57.



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Life-extending effect of virgin olive oil shown in fat rats 22.05.2009
Live longer with healthy fats 30.12.2008

[pdelta]

I have read where some very elite bodybuilders swear that mega dosing on either olive oil and/or fish oil helps them build muscle and burn fat. Moreover, I recently saw a show where some doctor in Texas is treating his arthritic patients with mega doses of fish oil. My wife has a small amount of arthritis in her hands. She has tried large doses of fish oil but she can't stand the fishy burps and it gives her diarrhea.