Dr. Houser's Lean Bulk Stack

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Dr. Houser’s 12-week Lean Bulk Stack

Featuring:
Anabolic Xtreme’s Mass Fx
MAN Sports’ Primal Male
Applied Nutraceuticals’ Drive


Week 1: Mass Fx + Primal Male
Week 2: Mass Fx + Primal Male
Week 3: Mass Fx + Primal Male + Drive
Week 4: Mass Fx + Primal Male + Drive
Week 5: Primal Male + Drive
Week 6: Primal Male + Drive
Week 7: Mass Fx + Drive
Week 8: Mass Fx + Drive
Week 9: Mass Fx + Primal Male
Week 10: Mass Fx + Primal Male
Week 11: Primal Male + Drive
Week 12: Primal Male + Drive

* Mind you, this is NOT necessarily the same way I would set it up in PCT, but for a true NHA, this is it with combo of these products to extend their use.

Just be wary that sometimes the Divanil (in ActivaTe Xtreme and/or Mass Fx) and/or Eucommia (in Primal Male) cause a lower blood sugar which might prompt taking it just prior or WITH a meal rather than alone. The two together may prompt alternative dosing schedules to avoid a hypoglycemic effect, but we're still exploring stacks at this early stage with them.

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Q&A



Q: Do you recommend using the older mass FX version to the new mass FX maximum strength? I really don't know the difference between the 2?

A: I am uncertain the distinction matters to me per se seeing that the original version of Mass Fx worked well for me and that formula has been kept in-tact with the following four additions to the Mass Fx Maximum Strength formula:

[1] 20% Turkesterone component (the so-called 11-alpha)
[2] White Button Mushroom (anti-estrogen)
[3] Sea Buckthorn (lignan to bind SHBG like Divanil)
[4] Forslean (appears to free up bound testosterone as well)

The one component I have always shown some expression of concern with is the sterol (i.e. – Turkesterone) in a “pro-testosterone” product. Sterols tend to decrease varying levels of androgenic (including testosterone) substrate – so its inclusion leaves me perplexed overall; though it can very well control lipid levels during the course of testosterone alteration.



Q: I'm around 180lbs. Do you recommend following suggested dosages for all 3 products?

PM is recommended 6 ED 5 on 2 off
Drive is 4 ED
Mass is 4 ED

A: Yes; the usual standard dosing parameter I approximate centers on the prototypical 180-220 pound bodybuilder. Dose-adjustments may be needed when people approach that 220-pound or higher mark (in other words, increasing dosages to see said effects – volume of distribution consideration) and while it is probable that people less than 180 pounds would be able to use less of the agent, it is probably not necessary and/or detrimental.



Q: Do you suggest taking the stack for a minimal amount of time to see best results? Will the stack be more effective @ 30 or 60 days?

A: For those familiar with my writing, a mantra I live by and would expect nothing less of my clients and/or forum members who may take heed in my writing is:

Health before vanity! – (Dr. Houser)

In order to satisfy the requirements of my mantra, the following conditions MUST be upheld in order to warrant recommendation on my behalf:

[1] Cost-Efficiency: I can certainly appreciate the idea that everyone is not made of money.

[2] Safety: The protocols suggested are the best that could be prescribed given the data we have at this time. This is NO time to be unscrupulous like so many supplement companies and to merely make profit suggest you take anything non-stop to simply fill up pocket books. If safety is compromised, I have failed everyone.

[3] Maximum Efficacy: The settling on two particular protocols is as best it could be projected to satisfy the above safety requirement without sacrificing projected efficacy afforded by this setup for what it is worth. The above setup (and others) will NOT allow you to achieve "steroid-like" results, nor would I be so silly as to suggest otherwise. Allow your expectations to meet what is being projected.

That said, there are certain ingredient recommendations that follow “micro-cycles” within the overall cycle like the Fadogia, Divanil and Forskolin in particular. Considering that offering, the suggested 12-week cycle initially proposed is what I might consider “ideal” for most satisfying all 3 of my aforementioned conditions listed above.



Q: I take the usual protein, creatine, taurine, BCAAs, fish, ZMT, whiteflood, WMS. Is there anything I should avoid taking while using the your stack?

A: Certain Components of the Controlled Labs product White Flood, could certainly cause additional blood-sugar lowering (hypoglycemic) effects which may cause additive effects to the various herbal ingredients in many of the test-boosting products, however, I don’t see it problematic if you separate dosing of said agents.



Q: How might a PCT version of the Lean Bulk Stack differ from a simple NHA variety?

A: The problem with such a recommendation is that it tends to be cycle-specific, so the recommendations would likely change dependent upon the on-cycle agents used. That said, the likelihood that the duration of the post-cycle regime would likely be attenuated (shortened) and stronger anti-estrogen support would be employed are pretty much a certainty with most cycles.

[mad dog]

So DOC u think the mass fx would be more effective than the ACT-XT in the abv stack.
pros and cons between the 2, juat asking since u picked the NHA stack w/MASS FX?

[LLLLern]

so how many stacks would one have to purchase to be able to run this 12 week stack that you are suggesting? ( 200 lb person)

[JrBirdMan]

thanks D for all your help, it is much appreciated

one last question: the 2 days off of the primal male; will it make a difference if it's on a workout day? should both days off be on non-workout days?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by mad dog

So DOC u think the mass fx would be more effective than the ACT-XT in the abv stack.
pros and cons between the 2, juat asking since u picked the NHA stack w/MASS FX?

I suggested that the ActivaTe Xtreme would certainly be a suitable replacement, although I don't necessarily care for the Basella and/or Rhodiola in these style products. I did lab results on the 3 ingredients in ActivaTe Xtreme beside them and came up with pretty much the same blood lab results leaving me to believe any variation in labs was attributed to the Divanil (also present in Mass Fx), I3C (also present in Primal Male), and Epimedium (also present in Primal Male). This also compensates for all the overlap, though the doubling up on the I3C in both the AcitivaTe Xtreme and Primal Male is very compelling especially for the heavier boys.

Originally Posted by LLLLern

so how many stacks would one have to purchase to be able to run this 12 week stack that you are suggesting? ( 200 lb person)

3 Primal Male (though 2.5 bottles will be all that is required for completion's sake)
3 Drive
2 Mass Fx


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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by JrBirdMan

thanks D for all your help, it is much appreciated

one last question: the 2 days off of the primal male; will it make a difference if it's on a workout day? should both days off be on non-workout days?

This is highly dependent upon the individual.

Usually a 5 day period is what constitutes most well-designed training protocols with either a 3 or 4 day offering suiting most person's lifestyles:

Monday, Wednesday, Friday

-and-

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday

are two favored splits making the weekend an easy sell at being "off."

Overall, however, this is for increased testosterone and not to be viewed as an energy-booster, et al. This hormonal milieu doesn't exactly follow the same rules and you really shouldn't approximate it in such fashion either. That said, I would say to follow the 5 generally well-accepted "work week" schedule of "on" dosing with "weekend holidays" with the Divanil and/or Drive being continued throughout this period.


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[LLLLern]

so with a 3 day workout plan and being around 200 or less how would you suggest setting up the LB STACK ( just 1 stack as will be offered up by LB ) for a guideline ??

[B-natural]

Overall, however, this is for increased testosterone and not to be viewed as an energy-booster, et al. This hormonal milieu doesn't exactly follow the same rules and you really shouldn't approximate it in such fashion either. That said, I would say to follow the 5 generally well-accepted "work week" schedule of "on" dosing with "weekend holidays" with the Divanil and/or Drive being continued throughout this period.

I think D explained your q here, stick with the 5on/2off

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

so with a 3 day workout plan and being around 200 or less how would you suggest setting up the LB STACK ( just 1 stack as will be offered up by LB ) for a guideline ??

I am unsure what you are asking here as I believe post #7 answered this, but I will try to restate this with physical plan descriptions and you can tell me if it is more clear.


PLAN A:

[1] Training: Mon, Wed, Fri
[2] LB Stack: Mon-Fri (all 3 products), Sat + Sun: OFF


PLAN B:

[1] Training: Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri
[2] LB Stack: Mon-Fri (all 3 products), Sat + Sun: OFF


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Now, can LB.com and/or TF Supplements afford offering such a large stack? Unsure.

If they were to do anything, I would say minimally offer the following options:

Stack Choices to complete 12 weeks:

A: 2 PM + 1 Drive + 1 Mass Fx (one price tag)

B: 2 Drive + 1 PM + 1 Mass Fx (one price tag)

C: 1 "A" Stack + 1 "B" Stack (one price tag for complete cycle)

While this may sound complex, I believe I have outlined it as best I can. That said - if one were to complete the full 12-week LB stack, they would purchase 1-A Stack and 1-B Stack OR just 1-C Stack (which is a combo of the first 2).

That may have made it much more complex, but different pricing schemes make even more economical for people if they can't drop one single tag down on 8 bottles of pills at one time - so I'd like to see as many choices as is possible personally.



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