ephedra stacking

[Alabastardragon]

I have been using various ephedra pills for a few years now, which I alternate with Stimulant X, Lipo 6 and Hydroxycut Hardcore but am wondering which are the best ones and what I could take them with, or how to best take them for maximum weight loss and appetite suppressant performance? I tend to now do one day on and one day off/non ephedra pill.

I need to be as lean as possible as am a dancer.

[thesinner]

How long have you been doing this?

I would imagine that with continuous use of stimulants, you would have some rather suppressed adrenal glands.

I'd recommend taking a dreaded 2 weeks off from stimulants, if you've been doing this for more than 12 weeks. When you come back on, you might look at dosing 3-on 1-off or 5-on 2-off (which works better for the work week, at least for me). This helps minimize wreaking havoc on your adrenals.

[LBVT]

Do you guys recommend using ephedrine solo for someone who wants to cut? Also, what's a good dosage to start at? I was thinking of just using it pre-WO to get some energy in me, and possibly in the mornings as well.

Does ephedrine provide the stimulant crash, so if you take it in the morning, you'll feel tired after about 4-5 hours?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by Alabastardragon

I have been using various ephedra pills for a few years now, which I alternate with Stimulant X, Lipo 6 and Hydroxycut Hardcore but am wondering which are the best ones and what I could take them with, or how to best take them for maximum weight loss and appetite suppressant performance? I tend to now do one day on and one day off/non ephedra pill.

I need to be as lean as possible as am a dancer.

Have you signed up for my newsletter - in particular the first issue?

While many subscriptions have been delayed while moving into the on-line list server (which should happen in a month or two), the first issue may give you the best offering for how to do this effectively and prudent.

How lean are you already? If using these for "a few years" - if you haven't achieved the status you are trying to attain, we may chose to look into other avenues.

Originally Posted by thesinner

How long have you been doing this?

I would imagine that with continuous use of stimulants, you would have some rather suppressed adrenal glands.

I'd recommend taking a dreaded 2 weeks off from stimulants, if you've been doing this for more than 12 weeks. When you come back on, you might look at dosing 3-on 1-off or 5-on 2-off (which works better for the work week, at least for me). This helps minimize wreaking havoc on your adrenals.

Yes, continuous use of stims will contribute to hugely elevated cortisol levels and as a result, probably the exact opposite of what you are trying to attain as far as a particular body composition goal.

That said, I like that sinner has adopted the weekly offering that I have proposed for well over 6 years on the on-line circuits - that is probably as best you can offer.

While he is absolutely correct with his adrenal offering, another consideration for employing this protocol is to avoid vascular autoregulatory processes that are responsible for the effects you are seen as well as deleterious ones many users experience (high blood pressure, rapid heart rate, etc...). If you aren't experiencing any of those things with a continuous setup as you suggested above, that too is not that unlikely a result because everything has essentially adapted.

Originally Posted by LBVT

Do you guys recommend using ephedrine solo for someone who wants to cut?

As opposed to? "ECA?" "ECY?"

Also, what's a good dosage to start at?

The biggest thing is watching the collective tally of ephedrine alklaoids you ingest per 24-hour period rather than simple dosages.

There was certain disagreement in ephedra's hay-day on dosing prescription rearding the optimal dose and form. Herbalists traditionally recommended rather wide ranges that typically exceeded the FDA's recommendation (albeit prudent).

FDA: 8mg up to every 6 hrs. (total daily dose 24 mg) for up to 7 days

Herbalist averages: 25mg of total ephedra alkaloids up to 4 times daily

Some studies: 50-100mg of ephedra 3 times daily (usually in the case of asthma alleviation though rather than weight loss)

Prudent Average: 12.5-25mg every 4-6 hours NOT TO EXCEED 150mg in 24 hours

My opinion: You need to assess via volume of distribution and it should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. In other words, your body composition stats will dictate.

I was thinking of just using it pre-WO to get some energy in me, and possibly in the mornings as well.

What time do you workout?

Does ephedrine provide the stimulant crash, so if you take it in the morning, you'll feel tired after about 4-5 hours?

Honestly - yes, for some people - which is why my recommendation for a bridged offering (CU, Vol. I, Issue 1) is probably the MOST prudent way to evaluate.



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[thesinner]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

The biggest thing is watching the collective tally of ephedrine alklaoids you ingest per 24-hour period rather than simple dosages.

There was certain disagreement in ephedra's hay-day on dosing prescription rearding the optimal dose and form. Herbalists traditionally recommended rather wide ranges that typically exceeded the FDA's recommendation (albeit prudent).

FDA: 8mg up to every 6 hrs. (total daily dose 24 mg) for up to 7 days

Herbalist averages: 25mg of total ephedra alkaloids up to 4 times daily

Some studies: 50-100mg of ephedra 3 times daily (usually in the case of asthma alleviation though rather than weight loss)

Prudent Average: 12.5-25mg every 4-6 hours NOT TO EXCEED 150mg in 24 hours

My opinion: You need to assess via volume of distribution and it should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. In other words, your body composition stats will dictate.

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Are these dosages pertaining strictly to the "free-based" alkaloid?

[LBVT]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

As opposed to? "ECA?" "ECY?"



What time do you workout?




Honestly - yes, for some people - which is why my recommendation for a bridged offering (CU, Vol. I, Issue 1) is probably the MOST prudent way to evaluate.

As opposed to the current crop of fat-loss supplements on the market? I would guess ephedra is better?

I workout in the evening, anywhere from 5-9 PM.

Doc, can the issues of CU that have already been released be found on this website? If so, where?!?! Thanks.

[NateW]

Bump on this. I heard from some people that ephedra can put holes in your heart and carries other health risks. Is this true or BS? I was thinking about getting one of the new ephedra based products...
For example: Yellow Thunder 25 by Advanced Performance Supplements I would only take one a day in the mornings. and probably take some days off per week. So basically what im asking is... Is it safe when used responsibly? or will it always do some permanent damage (even if it is just a small amount of damage)

[NateW]

oh and I would probably get the yellow cross instead because it is only 10mg instead of 25

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by thesinner

Are these dosages pertaining strictly to the "free-based" alkaloid?

Well, alkaloid"s"... yes.

Originally Posted by LBVT

As opposed to the current crop of fat-loss supplements on the market? I would guess ephedra is better?

Yes.

I workout in the evening, anywhere from 5-9 PM.

Well, I am unsure I recommend taking too many stimulants beyond about 3pm for most to get restful sleep.

Doc, can the issues of CU that have already been released be found on this website? If so, where?!?! Thanks.

No, not on this website, but many of the previous articles will be available on MM.com, there will also be ways to obtain the actual prior editions of the newsletter available to you as some will be strictly in the newsletter and others strictly in the MM-Summit (in fact, many will be strictly in the Summit section of the site).

Originally Posted by NateWA

Bump on this. I heard from some people that ephedra can put holes in your heart and carries other health risks. Is this true or BS?

Holes in your heart? I am unsure what is being suggested, but I went over many of the safety parameters in the first CU. I also offered a most sensical Scorch / Ephedra stack.

I was thinking about getting one of the new ephedra based products...
For example: Yellow Thunder 25 by Advanced Performance Supplements I would only take one a day in the mornings. and probably take some days off per week. So basically what im asking is... Is it safe when used responsibly? or will it always do some permanent damage (even if it is just a small amount of damage)

Likely so, yes. I am uncertain anyone has, however, suggested what the term "sensible" means definitively - which was an abuse of power on the FDAs behalf considering DSHEA regulations. This is what warranted revoking the ban in Utah and subsequent debates across the board that were upheld. Mind you, there are still states where there is NO ability to purchase such agents, so it is a very slippery slope of discussion.


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[LBVT]

Wait a second, how can TF sell that? I thought it was illegal to advertise ephedra as a supplement?