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Old 03-19-2008, 12:02 AM   #1
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Hey Doc, I have a couple questions about using exogenous testosterone. I was reading an article awhile ago about using testosterone in cycles, and while the person mentioned that it's possibly the best hormone to use, there are problems with using it, such as high test levels in the body reduce collagen synthesis drastically, thus making it a lot easier to injure ligaments, tendons, etc.

The person said in order to solve this problem, one could use Equipose (boldenone, correct?) solo or stack it with test. They also mentioned nandrolone is really good for collagen synthesis, and there was one more hormone but I forgot what it was. I just wanted to know if boldenone and nandrolone are much better in terms of collagen synthesis compared to testosterone. At first, I wasn't sure if the article made much sense because during puberty, aren't test levels really high for boys since they are growing at such a fast rate? Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about, which is why I brought up this topic.

Now if what I stated is true, then someone who wants to be super cautious would be better off using boldenone as a first cycle than testosterone, correct?

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Hey Doc, I have a couple questions about using exogenous testosterone. I was reading an article awhile ago about using testosterone in cycles, and while the person mentioned that it's possibly the best hormone to use, there are problems with using it, such as high test levels in the body reduce collagen synthesis drastically, thus making it a lot easier to injure ligaments, tendons, etc.

The person said in order to solve this problem, one could use Equipose (boldenone, correct?) solo or stack it with test. They also mentioned nandrolone is really good for collagen synthesis, and there was one more hormone but I forgot what it was. I just wanted to know if boldenone and nandrolone are much better in terms of collagen synthesis compared to testosterone. At first, I wasn't sure if the article made much sense because during puberty, aren't test levels really high for boys since they are growing at such a fast rate? Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about, which is why I brought up this topic.

Now if what I stated is true, then someone who wants to be super cautious would be better off using boldenone as a first cycle than testosterone, correct?

By the way, I sent you a PM a couple days ago, but it has nothing to do with this topic. Just letting you know in case you missed it

Thanks.
Someone who wants to be super cautious could stack boldenone with test as a first cycle.
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Someone who wants to be super cautious could stack boldenone with test as a first cycle.
Yes...

I would not run EQ without a test base as it will be suppressive. Testosterone is like the building block of AAS... it would be wise IMO to see how you react to it.
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Hey Doc, I have a couple questions about using exogenous testosterone. I was reading an article awhile ago about using testosterone in cycles, and while the person mentioned that it's possibly the best hormone to use, there are problems with using it, such as high test levels in the body reduce collagen synthesis drastically, thus making it a lot easier to injure ligaments, tendons, etc.
Well, this is a true superficial look at the subject, that's for sure. There is a direct dose-response relationship that exists. In other words, the higher the supraphysiologic dose, the higher the inhibition.

One must understand that suggestion of collagen synthesis is NOT always clean cut either as there are many different types of collagen. A collagen II synthesis in particular (primary for joints and tendons) does NOT equate in the bone, ligament primary which is collagen I.



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The person said in order to solve this problem, one could use Equipose (boldenone, correct?) solo or stack it with test. They also mentioned nandrolone is really good for collagen synthesis, and there was one more hormone but I forgot what it was. I just wanted to know if boldenone and nandrolone are much better in terms of collagen synthesis compared to testosterone.
My opinion is not to get lost in this concept. I still favor either a testosterone or tren base in any/all cycles personally if one is to be done. This is to watch out for the copious alterantive mishaps that could also occur.


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At first, I wasn't sure if the article made much sense because during puberty, aren't test levels really high for boys since they are growing at such a fast rate? Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about, which is why I brought up this topic.
As above...there is a dose-response relationship when you exceed supraphysiologic levels. Even though test levels are "high" at puberty, they do not tend to reach exogenous leveling.


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Now if what I stated is true, then someone who wants to be super cautious would be better off using boldenone as a first cycle than testosterone, correct?
Again, there is so many more levels of endocrinologic disarray that could occur. To me - test or tren as a base, then add.


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