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Old 04-07-2008, 04:16 PM   #1
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im on day 8 of the monster pak stack and i just started to get a numb feeling in my hands...kinda like when your foot falls asleep...can it be the stack or maybe my vitamins?
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I have absolutely no idea what a Monster Pak Stack is. I apologize for that - could you send the ingredients to this thread so I can see what it contains please?


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I have absolutely no idea what a Monster Pak Stack is. I apologize for that - could you send the ingredients to this thread so I can see what it contains please?


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this is the thread but so you dont have to go there i Copied and pasted as well:
FastAction - MONSTER PAK

Per Tablet
Strength Support
SDROL™ 10mg †
2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Vegetable Glaze
Per Tablet
Vascular Support
TRENA™ 25mg †
19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Vegetable Glaze
Per Tablet
Pump Support
AAKG 1500mg †
Arginine Alpha Keto Glutarate (AAKG)
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Vegetable Glaze
Per 2 Capsules
MASS Support
CREATINE ETHYL ESTER HCL 1500mg †
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Gelatin (Capsule)
Per Capsule
prostate Support
Saw Palmetto 450mg †
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Gelatin (Capsule)

Per Tablet
Liver Support
Milk Thistle (80% Silymarin) 175mg †
Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Vegetable Glaze
Per Softgel
Blood Pressure Support
Co Enzyme Q10 10mg †
Other Ingredinets: Magnesium Stearate,
Silica, Gelatin (Capsule)
Per capsule
Cholesterol Support
Red Yeast Rice Extract 600mg †
Magnesium Stearate, Silica, Gelatin (Capsule
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jesus christ, where should we even begin on this one.

could be sone slight hypoglycemia, the sdrol+arginine combo is going to raise that insulin sensitivity and prolactin levels through the roof.

others.
1. high bp
2. sudden androgen increases decrease seratonin, your CNS might be unhappy with you
3. vascodilation

probably not something to worry about.
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thanks for the help guys always good advice
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jesus christ, where should we even begin on this one.

could be sone slight hypoglycemia, the sdrol+arginine combo is going to raise that insulin sensitivity and prolactin levels through the roof.

others.
1. high bp
2. sudden androgen increases decrease seratonin, your CNS might be unhappy with you
3. vascodilation

probably not something to worry about.
nice advice jomi... so sdrol and arginine together could induce mild hypoglycemia-good to know
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nice advice jomi... so sdrol and arginine together could induce mild hypoglycemia-good to know
Superdrol by itself can induce mild hypoglycemia.
My "vote/guess" goes for high BP.
I had a run in with superdrol just a few weeks ago. After just two days my blood pressure was 150/95.
I was having headaches and my hands were numb.
Curious to see what the doc says.

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Thanks for all the comments to help me out guys.

Anyone know which ingredient I hate more than SD in this product?

Red Yeast Rice!!!

This is the silliest compound for people to be ingesting. Now, I won't get to its storied past - you can find that in the PCT subforum. I won't even talk about if there are monocolins present and it mimics a statin, how many side effects are suggested for these kind of drugs (rhabdomyolysis - where your muscle essential chews away at itself; hepatotoxicity - where your liver becomes intimately familiar with what its like to have a 7000-proof alcoholic beverage...ummm can anyone see why this is silly when stacked with a C17-alpha alkylated substance?). And no, silymarin is going to help in by the dose suggested (first off), but many times due to supply-side issues, Milk Thistle struggles to meet label claims - so that, to me, is pointless in this product. Oh boy - CoQ10 (though the dose here has got to be for shits and giggles) also is known to elevate liver enzymes in many instances. The intention is usually to offset the fact that statins will detract from the CoQ10 present in cardiac (heart) tissue, but 10mg for Christ's sake. Someone tell Fast Action to get ahold of me to consult them on formulating.

But, lets address your issues:

Red Yeast Rice, while less understood as to the "whys" is responsible in its own right for headaches - though I think that was just something everyone talked about with hypoglycemic induction.

The pertinent here for your numbness is that while not all that common, there are case reports of red yeast rice dmaaging peripheral nerves. In other words - this could certainly be a VERY lousy sign, though if not for anything else, it may be indication that Fast Action used a monocolin-derived offering (which is rare these days).


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does this mean that i should cut the red yeast rice out or just see if it gets worse as the days go on..other then the slight numbness i do not have any other sides
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If the numbness improves or not, you should cut out the RYR.

The rationale for lipid (cholesterol) alteration while on cycle is to provide increased androgenic substrate. Hampering this effect will make it very difficult to recover into PCT.

Are these all separate tabs? If so, then yes, I do think you should cut the RYR pill.

The primary lipid alteration of concern on cycle is HDL lowering; combat this by ramping up your niacin dose; not be using something that aids LDL lowering.


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