Blood test results

BloodyR · 09:18 PM

Hi,
I'm a member of the bb.com forum and saw your sig and decided to join.

Last summer I did a cycle of Deca for 10 weeks. It was a friend who suggested I should try it and I didn't bother reading on the subject before doing it. Biggest mistake of my life. Didn't do any PCT. For a couple of months I kept most of my gains and didn't noticed any bad side effects.

5 months ago, in december, I noticed a decrease in my libido. My erections were not as hard as they used to be in they go away a lot faster. I don't get any random hard on anymore and I don't even feel the need to masturbate anymore.
I lost 15 pounds since then but I don't eat as much as I use to.

Went to the doctor and told her everything except that I did a cycle during my first visit. She didn't seem very helpful and thought I only wanted her to prescribe me viagra.She also said it was probably in my head and maybe I should go see a couple psychologist (...). I went back a week ago and she had some test results back except the free testosterone. She said everything was fine so I told her about the cycle. She replied that everything seemed fine with me and suggested again the psychologist.

Yesterday I got the result for the free testosterone and it's lower than normal. I got 45,9 pmol/L and it says it should be between 62,0 - 142,0.

Heres some pics of my blood tests results (Not sure if you'll be able to read everything since it's written in french)

testosterone libre = free testosterone
If there's any word you don't understand just let me know.

So I'm going to go see her tomorrow and see what she has to say. The thing is I don't really trust her and I had the feeling she didn't really care when I went to see her the first time.

I would like to know if I could do anything to bring my level of free testosterone back to normal. It's getting really frustrating because of my libido problems. Plus, dunno if it's in my head but I don't feel as energetic as before.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot

ps. I'm 21 and live in Canada

**Gixxer82** · 04-16-2008, 09:38 PM

I'd say get a new doctor...you know you have a bad doctor when she takes the cop-out "its in your head"...lol..if a doctor ever told me that i'd laugh in her face, cuss at her, then walk out. And yes, i've done this before.

THEHUGE · 04-17-2008, 07:13 AM

your HPTA is out of balance,no doubt.and your doctor is a moron,no doubt.you should also check LH and FSH to get a more accurate idea about the problem.

Right Hook · 04-17-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by xtyler

your HPTA is out of balance,no doubt.and your doctor is a moron,no doubt.you should also check LH and FSH to get a more accurate idea about the problem.

Looks like he did get LH/FSH readings in the first image....although I cannot make out the other half of it. I think baseline readings are measured differently in Europe?

**xjsynx** · 04-17-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Looks like he did get LH/FSH readings in the first image....although I cannot make out the other half of it. I think baseline readings are measured differently in Europe?

Canada is not in Europe...

**xjsynx** · 04-17-2008, 09:35 AM

BTW and that is free health care for ya

SuperBig · 04-17-2008, 11:26 AM

I have always heard this termed "Deca D*ck" and why you should not mess with Deca. But your total test look like it is in a good spot, so you have something binding to it and therefore causing free test to be below normal. One of the main things you read about with low free test is SHGB (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) which will bind to test and hence unusable. One thing that is commonly used to address that situation is Divanil - the main ingredient in Activate Extreme. Dinoii does not care for the Rhodiola Rosea in AX due to estrogenic efffects (search Rhodiola and estrogen and prostate on google -> scary) so try getting some in bulk. BTW, the only place I have been able to find it in stock lately is at customcapsule.com, everyone else seems to be out of stock.

Another factor that effects low test and hence a dominance by SHBG is weight. Fat harbors estrogen and hence aromitization.

Just my 2 quick cents. ( I don't know what that mean to Canadians though)

BloodyR · 04-17-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Looks like he did get LH/FSH readings in the first image....although I cannot make out the other half of it. I think baseline readings are measured differently in Europe?

I'm from Quebec, Canada.

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Originally Posted by xjsynx

BTW and that is free health care for ya

LoL

In the first image, Under the column where it's written "Resultats" are my results and on the right under "References" are what normal results should be.

FSH I got 0,9 U/L and for a men it's says it should be between 1,4 - 18,1.
For the LH I seem to be in the normal range according to them.

In the second pic, my results are in bold and on the right is the normal range for my age and gender.Everything seems to be normal on the second pic.

**dinoiii** · 04-17-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodyR

Hi,
I'm a member of the bb.com forum and saw your sig and decided to join.

Well, I am happy you found us. It is certainly members that make the site successful. In about a year's time, this site has grown by leaps and bounds (1,000 members in that time is really good with over a 50% active member rate), so stick around - because it will certainly continue to grow in a positive direction.

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5 months ago, in december, I noticed a decrease in my libido. My erections were not as hard as they used to be in they go away a lot faster. I don't get any random hard on anymore and I don't even feel the need to masturbate anymore.
I lost 15 pounds since then but I don't eat as much as I use to.

Do they have stamps that come in rolls in Canada still? They're really doing away with them here in the states.

But, really I don't kid! Before you go to sleep, wrap and stick a strip of four to six moistened stamps (we'll let you privately decide how many would be required) -- it's least expensive to use the 1-cent kind by the way -or whatever is cheapest in Canada - the USD really has no value any more, so it may be the same thing (unsure)! -- snugly around the base of your flaccid penis, overlapping no more than one stamp to make a ring. The ring of stamps will break if an erection occurs. Of course, there are many more-complicated and expensive versions of this type of test.

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Went to the doctor and told her everything except that I did a cycle during my first visit. She didn't seem very helpful and thought I only wanted her to prescribe me viagra.She also said it was probably in my head and maybe I should go see a couple psychologist (...). I went back a week ago and she had some test results back except the free testosterone. She said everything was fine so I told her about the cycle. She replied that everything seemed fine with me and suggested again the psychologist.

Well, let's not blame the physician - this certainly isn't everyone's specialty area. Should the stamps break at night and the normal nighttime erections still occur (something called Nocturnal Penile Tumescence, something that should be at a relative pea still at your age), it most well could be of psychological cause. If not, this may certainly warrant further exploration.

When exogenous anabolics are concerned, the normal rules do NOT necessarily apply - so I wouldn't rule out either case. If your physician still remains unconvinced if you go back to her with your new knowledge, the best possible scenario may be to suggest your desires to get a second opinion (perhaps one of an endocrinologist).

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Yesterday I got the result for the free testosterone and it's lower than normal. I got 45,9 pmol/L and it says it should be between 62,0 - 142,0.

While this is "low" according to lab standard, are you sure its "low" for you? What I am getting at is - have you had any prior free test studies done?

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I would like to know if I could do anything to bring my level of free testosterone back to normal. It's getting really frustrating because of my libido problems. Plus, dunno if it's in my head but I don't feel as energetic as before.

I, like other might suggest a high-source "Divanil" extract. I believe Custom Nutrition Warehouse to have a pretty high quality version (unsure about being in stock though).

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**dinoiii** · 04-17-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBig

Dinoii does not care for the Rhodiola Rosea in AX due to estrogenic efffects (search Rhodiola and estrogen and prostate on google -> scary) so try getting some in bulk. BTW, the only place I have been able to find it in stock lately is at customcapsule.com, everyone else seems to be out of stock.

Yes, don't care for Rhodiola per se.

Sometimes a hypOadrenal state might warrant a ramped down course, but really - no overt rationale for employment in sports supplementation.

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Another factor that effects low test and hence a dominance by SHBG is weight. Fat harbors estrogen and hence aromitization.

Well, fat doesn't harbor "estrogen" but fat does harbor higher levels of "aromatase" which would ultimately convert test --> "estrogen" You could go one step further and get both an estrone and estradiol breakdown as well (but many lab techs will not know what you are talking about as it is usually a write in lab).

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