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HHHTheGame · 10:55 AM

I am 5'9", 185lbs, 12%BF and 36 years old. Weight training for the past 18 years. This is my first TRUE cycle.

Blood work done two weeks prior.

Starting one week prior and continuing through the run...
Taurine (5g)
Milk Thistle (500mg x2)
NAC (600mg x 2)
Hawthorn Berry (500mg x 2) this is actually a daily staple
ALA (100mg x 2)

H-Drol run for six weeks at 50/75/75/75/75/75
ZMA at night

PCT...
6-oxo (tapered sightly up then down 300/400/400/300/200/100)
I3C (tapered down)
starting week two
Nettle Root (500mg x 2)
starting week three
Lean Xtreme

Lemme know your thoughts!

HHHTheGame · 07-23-2008, 08:44 AM

no one?

GotTest · 07-23-2008, 05:05 PM

Looks damn good to me.

I'm running an Hdrol/11oxo now and loving it!

I prefer SAMe with liver support. Dose 4 hours apart from Hdrol.
Run the liver support through PCT as well.

**dinoiii** · 07-23-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HHHTheGame

I am 5'9", 185lbs, 12%BF and 36 years old. Weight training for the past 18 years. This is my first TRUE cycle.

Blood work done two weeks prior.

Starting one week prior and continuing through the run...
Milk Thistle (500mg x2)
NAC (600mg x 2)
Hawthorn Berry (500mg x 2) this is actually a daily staple
ALA (100mg x 2)

H-Drol run for six weeks at 50/75/75/75/75/75

PCT...
LG's Formadrol Xtreme (tapered down)
I3C (tapered down)
starting week three
Nettle Root (125mg x 2)
Lean Xtreme
6-oxo (tapered down 300/200/100)

Lemme know your thoughts!

AIs are meant to be tapered UP not down in my estimation, if true suppressive states are obtained. You are looking to inhibit aromatic conversion from Test (low in early PCT) to Estrogen.

Formadrol Xtreme - don't necessarily think this product is dosed appropriately, but H-drol is relatively mild.

Nettle can be started week one. Holding off has made NO DIFFERENCE in actual lab values. Those suggesting it be held off on have vested interest in alternative companies unfortunately.

Blood pressure modifying agents like Hawthorn take 2 WEEKS (and that is only a MINIMUM number) to acclimate for efficacy, NOT one.

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Originally Posted by GotTest

Looks damn good to me.

I'm running an Hdrol/11oxo now and loving it!

I prefer SAMe with liver support. Dose 4 hours apart from Hdrol.
Run the liver support through PCT as well.

I too prefer SAMe if we are talking about oral liver care, well - for NOW. And I am happy you mentioned my protocol on dosing, but that would hold true for most (if not all) liver aides. I presume the OP has already gotten the MT and NAC in his possession.

ALA also has liver protective properties, however, 200mg of the racemic (R + S) probably will have little to offer here.

D_

GotTest · 07-23-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dinoiii

AIs are meant to be tapered UP not down in my estimation, if true suppressive states are obtained. You are looking to inhibit aromatic conversion from Test (low in early PCT) to Estrogen.

Ooops, missed that one.
I actually do a taper up then back down.

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Blood pressure modifying agents like Hawthorn take 2 WEEKS (and that is only a MINIMUM number) to acclimate for efficacy, NOT one.

6g/day of Taurine has really helped my BP as well.

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I too prefer SAMe if we are talking about oral liver care, well - for NOW. And I am happy you mentioned my protocol on dosing, but that would hold true for most (if not all) liver aides.

I always listen to the "Dr's orders". It hasn't failed me yet.

HHHTheGame · 07-24-2008, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinoiii

AIs are meant to be tapered UP not down in my estimation, if true suppressive states are obtained. You are looking to inhibit aromatic conversion from Test (low in early PCT) to Estrogen.

Formadrol Xtreme - don't necessarily think this product is dosed appropriately, but H-drol is relatively mild.

Nettle can be started week one. Holding off has made NO DIFFERENCE in actual lab values. Those suggesting it be held off on have vested interest in alternative companies unfortunately.

Blood pressure modifying agents like Hawthorn take 2 WEEKS (and that is only a MINIMUM number) to acclimate for efficacy, NOT one.

I too prefer SAMe if we are talking about oral liver care, well - for NOW. And I am happy you mentioned my protocol on dosing, but that would hold true for most (if not all) liver aides. I presume the OP has already gotten the MT and NAC in his possession.

ALA also has liver protective properties, however, 200mg of the racemic (R + S) probably will have little to offer here.

D_

OK, so tapering up on the FormadrolX... I was going higher on the dosage anyways. I've used it before and found it to be light.

I've been taking Hawthorn for the last month or so and will continue for a long time. It keeps the blood pressure in check (daily about 110 / 70 ).

I did get the MT and NAC already, but they were relatively cheap and can be disposed of ($10 total for both). What dosage and timings would you suggest for the SAMe through the cycle and PCT?

Again, thanks for the great feedback. This is my first true run and want to make it worth it.

GotTest · 07-24-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HHHTheGame

OK, so tapering up on the FormadrolX... I was going higher on the dosage anyways.

6-oxo is an AI as well, though research has shown Estradiol to increase some.
If you're as sensitive as I am to AI's, libido may take a hit.

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I've been taking Hawthorn for the last month or so and will continue for a long time. It keeps the blood pressure in check (daily about 110 / 70 ).

My BP has never been below 120/80

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What dosage and timings would you suggest for the SAMe through the cycle and PCT?

If I remember correctly Doc recommended morning dosing and starting at 400mg/week 1-2 then dropping to 200mg/week 3-4. At least that's how I always run it.

I am dosing 200mg/day while ON cycle with Hdrol.