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THEHUGE · 07-22-2008, 05:04 AM

total test @ 127 in your 3th week of AAS isn't that scary. I would expect something next to zero...

broken7 · 07-22-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I'm not an idiot, I expect low test, but not that low. That is why I am asking the all knowing doctor if it is normal to be that low while on. This would bring me to my next question. If being put on TRT, would that help bring me back up to normal levels quicker after a cycle, or would I want to hold off. I dont know a whole lot about TRT. I just wonder if I do have prolactin issues suppressing my testosterone. The last thing I want to have to do is to be on TRT the rest of my life.

I didn't mean to offend, your not an idiot but that kind of suppression while on is normal. TRT would only further suppress you. Your test levels would show up higher if taking testosterone obviously but you would still be suppressed. You should have tested your levels before you started a cycle (don't feel bad I didn't either and I should have), checking testosterone level while on is kind of pointless. Wait until after pct then get tested again and hopefully all will be well.

**egodog48** · 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by broken7

I didn't mean to offend, your not an idiot but that kind of suppression while on is normal. TRT would only further suppress you. Your test levels would show up higher if taking testosterone obviously but you would still be suppressed. You should have tested your levels before you started a cycle (don't feel bad I didn't either and I should have), checking testosterone level while on is kind of pointless. Wait until after pct then get tested again and hopefully all will be well.

I know, I just feeling like a bitch now. I really didnt even want to have anything else but my prolactin checked, but for insurance to cover it, they said we needed to start with this.

I also dont understand why my doctor acts like this may only need to be a temporary deal. THey told me I would need to be on the gel for only a year, but if I this is taking in synthetic testosterone, how would that spur me to create my own?

**egodog48** · 07-22-2008, 02:20 PM

Just got done talking with the nurse/secretary. I talked to her and told her everything and she told me that it should still not be the issue. Its like I was talking in Hebrew. She said that some people just dont produce enough. I told her there is no way my gains could be the way they are without it being the cause, she said its weird but that I should still get on the gel. I denied and told her we will test again in a month and go from there and to test my prolactin then. After that test, if things are still messed up, I will see an endo as my new insurance allows me to see anyone anytime without a referral. Hopefully Dinoiii would chime in soon just so I can get doctor reassurance, cause I'm still a little worried. And dont kid yourself, I thought about taking the script and saving up, but I just don't see it being worth it at this time. Especially if I had to go in and get my levels checked and they dont budge. Ive already been yelled at by my doctor once, I dont care to have it again.

broken7 · 07-23-2008, 12:40 AM

Sounds to me like your Doc/nurse/secretary sucks and has no idea what he/she's talking about. My advice is wait until pct is over and then get checked again. I'd like to see what Dinoiii has to say but I'm pretty sure it will be along the lines of what I've been saying.

**dinoiii** · 07-24-2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by egodog48

Well, I just had my test levels checked, mainly because I wanted to see if I had excess prolactin(which they didnt end up checking anyways even though I asked), and my total test came back a 127

Here is the thing though, I had been taking methyl xt for two and a half weeks prior to the test and took trenadrol for like 4 days (maybe more), so could that really have made that much of a difference in that amount of time or do I just have extraordinarily low test and will need trt. Oh yea, I am stopping usage now and starting pct as a result. thanks.

As many have suggested, 2.5 weeks into cycle with a 127 is NOT surprising at all. Still, without a concurrent Free Test number and/or baseline, this value means ABSOLUTELY nothing. This is truthfully the issue with primary care doctors - if they don't understand what they are treating in the first place, they should really recommend to a specialist (Endo); if the suggestions I have read in this thread are from an Endo, get a new one!

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I just dont get it. My libido has always been fine. I have noticed what seems to be a slower metabolism and lack of focus in the gym but that is it. I thought there is no way that it could be that low, especially out of "normal range."

Again total vs. free is absolutely imperative to know here.

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I'm not an idiot, I expect low test, but not that low. That is why I am asking the all knowing doctor if it is normal to be that low while on. This would bring me to my next question. If being put on TRT, would that help bring me back up to normal levels quicker after a cycle, or would I want to hold off. I dont know a whole lot about TRT. I just wonder if I do have prolactin issues suppressing my testosterone. The last thing I want to have to do is to be on TRT the rest of my life.

First off, TRT will NOT re-assume "normality" - TRT will hold you in a suppressed state unless met with concurrent hCG injections or something. There is a lot of peculiar statements in this thread that I am not getting.

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I also dont understand why my doctor acts like this may only need to be a temporary deal. THey told me I would need to be on the gel for only a year, but if I this is taking in synthetic testosterone, how would that spur me to create my own?

It would NOT spur you to create your own - hence my aforementioned comments.

D_

**egodog48** · 07-24-2008, 04:12 AM

THank you Doc. Thats kind of what I thought with them putting me on the topical cream and them saying it would only need to be temporary. I plan on seeing an endo if my next test comes back low after a month and a half off.

And I had asked for them to check free test as well, but said it wasnt needed. They treat me like I have no idea what I'm talking about. Then they want to start me on something like the gel for a year without even having all my levels assesed. I DONT THINK SO.

But thank you again D, sometimes we just need that Dinoiii approval