Which form of Carnitine?

[leonidas300]

I know Carnitine is a great supplement but I am a little perplexed over which variation to get.

ALCAR, LCLT, straight L-Carnitine, PLCAR, or the new Glycine form?

Which is the most effecacious and cost effective. Thanks for the help.

[Zachattack43]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

I know Carnitine is a great supplement but I am a little perplexed over which variation to get.

ALCAR, LCLT, straight L-Carnitine, PLCAR, or the new Glycine form?

Which is the most effecacious and cost effective. Thanks for the help.

Honestly, you cant beat the cost effectiveness of ALCAR, what other benefits these other variations will offer is minimal and is not worth the extremely higher cost of doing so.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

I know Carnitine is a great supplement but I am a little perplexed over which variation to get.

ALCAR, LCLT, straight L-Carnitine, PLCAR, or the new Glycine form?

Which is the most effecacious and cost effective. Thanks for the help.

What's the common bond with all of these, as they have all been shown to increase T-receptors (PLC being a notable exception):

The carnitine portion!

As far as "cost effective" - carnitine is merely not that. All the newer fancy stuff like Glycine and so on (there are actually 4 "newer" ones than this as well) are all just created to give new patent options, but the reality is that the elemental portion of carnitine decreases.

So, I suppose an answer relies on a qualified "depends"...

As for myself...

I use ALCAR in the AM considering its potential ability to cross BBB better and my job (the whole doctor thing; having to think quick on my feet). 2-3 grams

I use PLC in the nighttime to convey a little cardiovascular protection due to the quoted saturating ability of cardiac muscle tissue by this particular version. 2-3 grams

I use LCLT throughout the day for increasing androgenic receptor with heavy predominance in the pre-noon hours to offer better ability to work on a physiologic time clock with my own test levels. 6-10 grams


Now, most people won't be able to afford this (10-16 grams) playing with caps...I personally use a lot of bulk - but it tastes pretty rancid NO MATTER WHAT FLAVORING you give it, it actually burns out your nose hairs, so it may not be for everyone...just don't sniff it directly.

You will not see me use anything like Glycine-PLC anytime soon except when they offer it free at the ISSN conference, etc... (I got 7 bottles from there as they were the sponsor, but got them for free) because the actual concentration of carnitine is so long on a molecular basis that you need about 4-5 grams to equal about 1-2 grams of L-carnitine and that is being generous with how big glycine is molecularly.


Hopefully this makes sense.


D_

[B-natural]

interesting stuff as usual, 10-16g's is pretty crazy, I'm still enjoying 4g, will soon be bumping up tho...

[Zachattack43]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

What's the common bond with all of these, as they have all been shown to increase T-receptors (PLC being a notable exception):

The carnitine portion!

As far as "cost effective" - carnitine is merely not that. All the newer fancy stuff like Glycine and so on (there are actually 4 "newer" ones than this as well) are all just created to give new patent options, but the reality is that the elemental portion of carnitine decreases.

So, I suppose an answer relies on a qualified "depends"...

As for myself...

I use ALCAR in the AM considering its potential ability to cross BBB better and my job (the whole doctor thing; having to think quick on my feet). 2-3 grams

I use PLC in the nighttime to convey a little cardiovascular protection due to the quoted saturating ability of cardiac muscle tissue by this particular version. 2-3 grams

I use LCLT throughout the day for increasing androgenic receptor with heavy predominance in the pre-noon hours to offer better ability to work on a physiologic time clock with my own test levels. 6-10 grams


Now, most people won't be able to afford this (10-16 grams) playing with caps...I personally use a lot of bulk - but it tastes pretty rancid NO MATTER WHAT FLAVORING you give it, it actually burns out your nose hairs, so it may not be for everyone...just don't sniff it directly.

You will not see me use anything like Glycine-PLC anytime soon except when they offer it free at the ISSN conference, etc... (I got 7 bottles from there as they were the sponsor, but got them for free) because the actual concentration of carnitine is so long on a molecular basis that you need about 4-5 grams to equal about 1-2 grams of L-carnitine and that is being generous with how big glycine is molecularly.


Hopefully this makes sense.


D_

what is the cost of your usage?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by Zachattack43

what is the cost of your usage?

Wow, make me sound like an addict or something. I usually test the upper limits of reality before settling on recommendations for in-house trials and secondarily client recommendations OUTSIDE of copious tallies of research is all.

As far as my costs, they are likely much more attenuated than the average user due to the bulk I buy for study purposes and what have you - which you will be ultimately privy to with membership to mm.com's member-specific pages.

Then of course, you will also have a new bulk supplier (in 2009) of various things in town!


D_

[Zachattack43]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Wow, make me sound like an addict or something. I usually test the upper limits of reality before settling on recommendations for in-house trials and secondarily client recommendations OUTSIDE of copious tallies of research is all.

As far as my costs, they are likely much more attenuated than the average user due to the bulk I buy for study purposes and what have you - which you will be ultimately privy to with membership to mm.com's member-specific pages.

Then of course, you will also have a new bulk supplier (in 2009) of various things in town!


D_

Sounds good, sorry, but you are hooked on it

For me all I need is ALCAR, I just wonder if the cost:benefit ratio is even worth it for the more expensive compounds.

[transXisomer]

There was some study showing a tri-car combo (alcar, plcar, some other car...) beating a steroid in strength / lean mass gains I believe...

[Zachattack43]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

There was some study showing a tri-car combo (alcar, plcar, some other car...) beating a steroid in strength / lean mass gains I believe...

I think it was PLCAR, but I thought it was comparing test levels to those who took in sythetic test.