Im new to the forum and sry if I posted this in the wrong area. This for you Dr.D

[Mp5navy187]

Im gonna be running my 2nd P.h. Cycle in a few month in october. Right now im cutting down.... I was recommend By R.A. to run this BOLD @ 800mgs/day with some Promagnon 25 @ 75mg/day. I just wanted your opion on it and how it would benefit someone like me. Im 21 6'0 185 pounds male. My goals are just to get a good vascular look and add some more muscle to my frame...


My noobie questions to you are.

HOw long should I run the this cycle?
Is there anything else I would want to add to this stack?
Im not really on a budget, so what kinda of top p.c.t. top quailty products should I buy?
Im really healthy guy athletic etc. So what are they any kind of serious sides I should consider?
What should my calorie intake be well on this cylcle? Right now my calorie intake is roughly 2000 a day....
And please let me knoe any other things I should knoe,thx- Mp5navy187

o yea and how long do I have before Promagnon 25 is sold out everywhere?

[solomon1979]

Originally Posted by Mp5navy187

Im gonna be running my 2nd P.h. Cycle in a few month in october. Right now im cutting down.... I was recommend By R.A. to run this BOLD @ 800mgs/day with some Promagnon 25 @ 75mg/day. I just wanted your opion on it and how it would benefit someone like me. Im 21 6'0 185 pounds male. My goals are just to get a good vascular look and add some more muscle to my frame...


My noobie questions to you are.

HOw long should I run the this cycle?
Is there anything else I would want to add to this stack?
Im not really on a budget, so what kinda of top p.c.t. top quailty products should I buy?
Im really healthy guy athletic etc. So what are they any kind of serious sides I should consider?
What should my calorie intake be well on this cylcle? Right now my calorie intake is roughly 2000 a day....
And please let me knoe any other things I should knoe,thx- Mp5navy187

o yea and how long do I have before Promagnon 25 is sold out everywhere?

I'm willing to bet that its carried at more places now than when it was initailly stated that it was discontinued. Here's my cut pasted answer from the other forum-

Originally Posted by Mp5navy187

I like R.A. suggestion in my other form my next p.h. BOLD @ 800mgs/day with some Promagnon 25 @ 75mg/day... Im gonna roll with that. Should I throw in anything else. I dont wanna put on to much weight just get good gains and get a good vascular look.

Honestly, this stack would be best for somebody trying to do a lean bulk or recomp., while including some sort of cardio conditioning into their normal workout routines. I've said it before, but this would be my stack recommendation for somebody in the military who does regular cardio during PT, and then lifts at lunch or after work.

Bold-600-800mg ed
Promagnon-25 50-75mg ed
Trenaplex 75-125mg ed

Outlined like so-
Weeks 1-2-600mg Bold, 75mg Trenaplex, and 50mg Promagnon-25
Weeks 3-6 800mg Bold 100-125mg Trenaplex, and 75mg Promagnon-25

[solomon1979]

If you're unwilling to use the Trenaplex, then simply omit it. Honestly, I would really want to run that cycle myself.

[Mp5navy187]

Is that a decent stack, ive rid about it on other forums and alot of other users say that is overdoing it... I mean ill consider I mean I still have alot or research to do. Im not gonna do anything for few months im still trying to cut weight.

[solomon1979]

Originally Posted by Mp5navy187

Is that a decent stack, ive rid about it on other forums and alot of other users say that is overdoing it... I mean ill consider I mean I still have alot or research to do. Im not gonna do anything for few months im still trying to cut weight.

Either stack that was recommended is an intermediate to advanced user, stack. I'd honestly love to hear what forum says that you're overdoing it. I'm sure that would be a bit of fun for me.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by Mp5navy187

Im gonna be running my 2nd P.h. Cycle in a few month in october. Right now im cutting down.... I was recommend By R.A. to run this BOLD @ 800mgs/day with some Promagnon 25 @ 75mg/day. I just wanted your opion on it and how it would benefit someone like me. Im 21 6'0 185 pounds male. My goals are just to get a good vascular look and add some more muscle to my frame...

Promagnon is an interesting specimen and likely not really that cost-efficient so I don't recommend it all that much [I know you mention you are not on a budget BUT if your first cycle included a Halo clone - which many do, this is probably NOT the best 2nd agent to employ].

How about an epitho product (Epistane, Havoc, Methyl-E, etc...) based on your goals and this only being your second cycle? What did your first cycle consist of and how long did you run it? What kind of gains did you experience?

HOw long should I run the this cycle?

Depends on your answer to my questions above.

Is there anything else I would want to add to this stack?

Again - will wait on your answers to the above.

Im not really on a budget, so what kinda of top p.c.t. top quailty products should I buy?

Base set up if OTC alone: I3C + 6-Bromo/Formestane-based AI + Test Booster + Liver Protection (SAMe is my prefered if you read my articles and an approved list has been posted on DA and bb.com for which I would recommend based on 3rd Party testing) BP control if you are opting for a Progestin by the end of our talks which can include Hawthorn/CoQ10/and - or many of the other 35 compounds I offer up in my PCT: ACV series + Niacin (B complex) for HDL elevation + Cortisol Control at 2 weeks into PCT (7-OH DHEA, 7-Keto DHEA, AET, PS @ 800mg, etc...), Multi-Mineral formula (like VPX's CMZ), and ACES. This whole subset +/- cell volumizers (obviously, I like the MAN Clout/Body Octane stack to continue forward with).

Im really healthy guy athletic etc. So what are they any kind of serious sides I should consider?

Well, there are oftentimes trade offs in the health domain.

First and foremost, you MUST consider liver protection (hepatoprotectant section in PCT:ACV Parts II and III and significant in-house trials and such have been described in that piece that will be published soon) with ANY C17 alkylated orals. You may have stumbled upon one of the internet's finest
"gurus" suggesting this liver care is unneeded and I would suggest to STEP FAR AWAY FROM THIS ADVICE if health is a concern.

Next, low-HDL ("Helpful" / Good Cholesterol) values plummet and Niacin is one of the few agents that should be employed. EPA and DHA in a combined 2-4 grams as dependent upon bodyweight will be important considerations as well based on my general recommendations. See Roundtable discussion from AX about my fatty acid recommendations which too apply here with "Mass"/ "Cut" / "Recomp" cycles. This is important in the cardiovascular domain.

Third on the level of importance (but it cannot be underscored enough) is the potential for Blood Pressure (BP) elevation as seen most frequently with progestin-based cycles, but not necessarily unlikely with others.

What should my calorie intake be well on this cylcle? Right now my calorie intake is roughly 2000 a day....And please let me knoe any other things I should knoe,thx- Mp5navy187

2000 calories may be fine, but an additional deficit will be interesting (albeit perhaps necessary) to create if you have become metabolically inefficient by using this caloric schedule in the first place. You can likely only hope for an anti-catabolic effect to some degree, I suppose. What kind of training regime are you currently using?

o yea and how long do I have before Promagnon 25 is sold out everywhere?

As I said above, I am not particularly fond of this agent per se from a cost-efficiency standpoint for what you would see. That said, if you can't find it...it may be better that way anyhow...I still say Epitho + BOLD is likely a better bet.



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[Owen70]

goodness gracious dinoiii you are one knowledge-generous fellow. ive never seen anyone, let alone an MD take as much time answering random peoples' (myself included) questions

THANK YOU!!

[RisingAgainst]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

I still say Epitho + BOLD is likely a better bet.

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And the critics called me nuts.... bwaahha

[GotTest]

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

And the critics called me nuts.... bwaahha

Hey RA,
What did your stack look like with Epitho/Bold?
How did it go for you (sides, gains, etc)?

I'm second week into an Epi/HDX2 stack and loving results.
I've been looking for something elso to stack with Epi next cycle, and I've been keeping an eye on all the comments on Bold.

Sorry for the Hijack Mp5navy187!