E-Stane

[ari4216]

First, i want to thank you for all the posts on this forum.

They have been very informative.

Also taking your time to answer the questions on this forum.

Background
-My main goal for my cycle is Recomp perhaps maybe edging to a light bulk.

-Diet will be super clean, plain white chicken brocoli,crucerferous vegetable,brown rice,oatmel,low carb pasta,egg whites.

-Im gonna limit fat intake to 10-15mg of essential fatty acids of different sorts. Since i usuall have 60-80 mg fats and the fats wont be neccesary in my opinion to boost test, as they normally do, according to what ive read,sean,esp red meats(steak)

Weight 212-214
Bodyfat 15%
Training Exp: 5 years
PH exp: Ergomax lmg, 30 mg for 3 weeks.(8pounds)A year ago

First a basic question, are designer worth the effort if regular aas is not feasable.

If yes, which ones would you think have the best pro/cons?

Those are two sepate question to see if my plans are good.

What do you think of the Max Lmg(progestin) stacked with Epistane. I love the recovery aspect that Max Lmg supposedly has. If i do this, it will probally be a lean bulk.
Epi-30,30,30,30
Lmg-75,75,75,75
possibly running formestane low dose to control gyno as needed and some dopamergenic substances.

My other choice was Furazadrol with epistane
30,30,30,30
200mg,200mg,200mg,200mg

The cycles are quite different one being VERY dry and the other being somewhat wet, or maybe possibly a good combination of wet and dry

On another note,should i just run epistane by itself?

Blood pressure and Gyno are the major side effects i want to avoid, cholestrol too, but side effects are inevatable. Which combination, in your opinion would illicit less sides.

The tren,h-drol compounds i have ruled out from doing.

When i ran Ergomax LMG, i had sides, but the main thing i loved was my recovery, i could work the same bodypart two times a week, With Going the failures on everyworkout.

I already have supplies and thoughts for pct, so dont worry about that.
I have Diesel Test Hardcore
I will get toremfine.Unless you argue for a different serm. Dosages will probally low.
Transdermal Form, altough i read ur not a fan of it, i really want to try it,heard its great.
Sustain Alpha,probally am getting,havnet gotten yet. You think its worth while? i was think of running it on cycle to lessen shutdown to an extent, taking it at nighttime, when natural test is still working

Then im buying two tubs Post Cycle Support to make shue my health is as good as it can be on a cycle, running it a month before, and a month after the cycle.

Thats pretty long, i apprecitate if you even go over some of that.

Thanks,

Ari

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by ari4216

-My main goal for my cycle is Recomp perhaps maybe edging to a light bulk.

-Diet will be super clean, plain white chicken brocoli,crucerferous vegetable,brown rice,oatmel,low carb pasta,egg whites.

-Im gonna limit fat intake to 10-15mg of essential fatty acids of different sorts. Since i usuall have 60-80 mg fats and the fats wont be neccesary in my opinion to boost test, as they normally do, according to what ive read,sean,esp red meats(steak)

Ok, so I assume you mean GRAMS (not mg's) in totally fatty acids, though I might consider INCREASING this with an anabolic substance cycle. Fats are important for an anabolic potential and should not be considered evil per se.

Fatty Acids in many regards too will keep your natural test a bit higher if primarily from a monounsaturated standpoint.

First a basic question, are designer worth the effort if regular aas is not feasable.

If yes, which ones would you think have the best pro/cons?

Those are two sepate question to see if my plans are good.

I don't think those are actually as easy a question as you might think. I mean, from a legality standpoint - absolutely. From a health standpoint, I think we were cornered by a government that merely doesn't understand them and mistakenly so bans this and that left and right without true rationale in why they are doing so - as a result of pure lobbying power alone, they leave cigarettes and alcohol legal with KNOWN mortality effects.

Now, for obvious reasons I cannot answer your question as this is a legal problem in doing so in this setting.

What do you think of the Max Lmg(progestin) stacked with Epistane. I love the recovery aspect that Max Lmg supposedly has. If i do this, it will probally be a lean bulk.
Epi-30,30,30,30
Lmg-75,75,75,75
possibly running formestane low dose to control gyno as needed and some dopamergenic substances.

I unfortunately do NOT have a lot of experience with Max LMG. Is this product even still available?

On another note,should i just run epistane by itself?

I am always a fan of running LESS if you have no experience with an agent.

Blood pressure and Gyno are the major side effects i want to avoid, cholestrol too, but side effects are inevatable. Which combination, in your opinion would illicit less sides.

The tren,h-drol compounds i have ruled out from doing.

When i ran Ergomax LMG, i had sides, but the main thing i loved was my recovery, i could work the same bodypart two times a week, With Going the failures on everyworkout.

Do NOT go to failure at every workout; that's not necessarily ideal in a state of hyperandrogeny or otherwise.

I already have supplies and thoughts for pct, so dont worry about that.
I have Diesel Test Hardcore
I will get toremfine.Unless you argue for a different serm. Dosages will probally low.
Transdermal Form, altough i read ur not a fan of it, i really want to try it,heard its great.
Sustain Alpha,probally am getting,havnet gotten yet. You think its worth while? i was think of running it on cycle to lessen shutdown to an extent, taking it at nighttime, when natural test is still working

I argue against ALL "research chems" actually - so you probably wouldn't care for my advice here considering. I am unsure where you read I was NOT a fan of Form - that's comletely incorrect.

I am also unsure what the ingredient panel of Sustain Alpha is, but I think this is a product that has some things that don't make sense, but I would need you to post the ingredients to confer.

Then im buying two tubs Post Cycle Support to make shue my health is as good as it can be on a cycle, running it a month before, and a month after the cycle.

Post the ingredients of Post Cycle support for me again please.


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[mw1]

D- I 'd like to hear some of our arguements against serms...I'm not particularly a fan of them either, primarily because i feel worse on them than I do on cycle

[ari4216]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

1.I unfortunately do NOT have a lot of experience with Max LMG. Is this product even still available?


2.I am always a fan of running LESS if you have no experience with an agent.


3.Do NOT go to failure at every workout; that's not necessarily ideal in a state of hyperandrogeny or otherwise.

4.I argue against ALL "research chems" actually - so you probably wouldn't care for my advice here considering. I am unsure where you read I was NOT a fan of Form - that's comletely incorrect.

5.I am also unsure what the ingredient panel of Sustain Alpha is, but I think this is a product that has some things that don't make sense, but I would need you to post the ingredients to confer.

6.Post the ingredients of Post Cycle support for me again please.


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1. There are two prodcuts on leanbulk.com, Proven ProductP-13m and Diabolic Labs Mass LMG.
I have no clue about the validity of PP's product but the Diabolic labs clone seems legit. Its a progestin similar to the abortion pill, suppodely converts to nandrolone. Its wet and great for recovery.

2. I am inclined to this. But its tempting, as i dont plan on "cycling", i want to get the most out of the short time of my cycle. So what would be your reccomendations on solo Epistane dosing?

3. Maybe we have different definitions of failure, or maybe im training less effective than you propose. Could you link me to what your workout failure thoughts would be? Your workout routine? I dont neccesarily go to failure on every set, more of an overall failure, as being drained, and as i went all out.

4. No, im very interested to hear your opinion regarding Research Chemicals. Are you saying you dont advocate serms? Or are you saying you dont trust research chems? Or cannot you not state your opinion for legality? Ive read your pct articles, and i thought you had serms in your PCT schemes.

5. Their marketing is very detailed, which tricked me at first. On other forums, a lot of people praise it for PCT use. I currently am confused towards it efficiacy at its 50 dollars price point.
Its transdermal reservertrol and 7,8-Benzoflavone(novel ingrediant)
Link- Sustain Alpha - Boosting Testosterone & Libido with topical resveratrol & 7,8 Benzoflavone


6. Sorry, im meant Annabolic Innovations Cycle Support. But, now i may just buy Competive Edge Labs Cycle Assist. These are both pro-health products.

Cycle Support-40 bucks
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Scoop
Servings per Container: 60

2 Servings Provide

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
NAC 1200mg **
Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
Saw Palmetto 300mg **
Policosonol 20mg **
Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
Nettle Root 250mg **
Idebenone 100mg **



Cycle Assist-30 bucks
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 4 Capsules
Servings per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 750 mg **
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 500 mg **
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 500 mg 5000%
Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 450 mg **
Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 50 mg 10000%
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 160 mg **
Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 75 mg **
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 75 mg **
Policosanol 20 mg **
Zinc Gluconate 15 mg 100%

Ive read your articles regarding pct item, i have used bulk in the past, and have some bulks currently, but for this cycle i want it to be a little simple,perhaps convenient.

Another Point, reservatrol?Worth it for PCT?

I appreciated your detailed response, Thanks.

[ari4216]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

7. Ok, so I assume you mean GRAMS (not mg's) in totally fatty acids, though I might consider INCREASING this with an anabolic substance cycle. Fats are important for an anabolic potential and should not be considered evil per se.

Fatty Acids in many regards too will keep your natural test a bit higher if primarily from a monounsaturated standpoint.

8.I am unsure where you read I was NOT a fan of Form - that's comletely incorrect.

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7.Yeah, i agree, i think i put that number a little low, i just want to lower my fat substantially though, i get a lot of monounsaturated fat usually. Maybe 80-120g is normal.


8.I miswrote that. I read in one of your posting that said you werent a fan of transdermal form, and preferred oral form, as trans-form is not a good way to measure dosages for PCT.

Also, you said something about combing 6-bromo with form. Which is interesting.