Insulin Manipulation

**snakemw** · 12-20-2007, 04:13 PM

D_
I know we have talked about this in the past but i have a couple of questions for you. I recently got my workout partner back and it fits both of our schedules the best to do a routine such as DC,HST, or the likes. We have been doing HST the last couple of weeks and he likes it alot. I know on the weeks of 15 reps and maybe 10 a CKD would probably work, but on the weeks of 5 and negatives i dont know if i will be to glycogen depleted to go as heavy as i need to. So i guess my questions are:

1. Will a CKD work for a DC or HST style training for the heavy days?

2. What about some type of insulin modulation like CHO's on Mon. and Wed. for breakfast and post workout, then no CHO's again until the weekend?

Any other suggestions or input is always welcomed.

**dinoiii** · 12-21-2007, 08:26 AM

HST is a very general progressive overload scheme which I believe sacrifices the true adaptive stress of a particular periodized micro/meso-cycle.

That said, the plan is just that specific for hypertrophy and not so much "recomposition." Usually your diet can accomodate most training protocols, though this leaves much to be desired in my honest estimation regarding "recomposition."

I am not denouncing the program - but it is likely too specialized for what we are trying to accomplish in a CKD.

With the said,...

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Originally Posted by snakemw

1. Will a CKD work for a DC or HST style training for the heavy days?

Most often the answer depends on the days of the week that you train.

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2. What about some type of insulin modulation like CHO's on Mon. and Wed. for breakfast and post workout, then no CHO's again until the weekend?

Yes, insulin modulation (rather than glycogen depletion) would be pretty much your only option with the HST (not the DC dependent upon your setup).

I would probably approximate a CKD protocol (if any) for HST to look as follows:

Monday: Low Carb
Tuesday: Moderate Carb
Wednesday: Low Carb
Thursday: Moderate Carb
Friday: Low Carb
Saturday + Sunday: Moderate --> High Carb

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Any other suggestions or input is always welcomed.

Well...you have to come to terms with a desired goal (one that would stand out to you above all else; est and train for attainment of that goal). If the goal centers on hypertrophy...it may be best to not employ the above because a hypERcaloric state is needed in many instances and while hypERcarloric and hypOglycemic are not necessarily entities that must occur in vacuum; they may not be the "best" way.

D_

**snakemw** · 12-29-2007, 09:50 AM

my goal is to add mass/strength D. If i were to run the above stated CHO routine how would i need to cycle my caloric intake?

**snakemw** · 02-02-2008, 11:42 AM

D_.

As far as caloric cycling on the above plan i was thinking of something like:

M- Hyper-caloric (low cho)
T- Iso-caloric (mod cho)
W-Hyper-caloric (low cho)
Th- Iso-caloric (mod cho)
F-Hypo-caloric until start of high CHO after workout (mixed low and high cho)
Sat- Hyper-Caloric (high cho)
Sun-Iso-Caloric (mixed high and low cho)

**dinoiii** · 02-02-2008, 04:54 PM

That doesn't look too bad Jake if you keep with Haycook's prescription.

I am a little concerned as you progress with weights how you will run that Friday workout on the heavier sets, though you are breaking glycogen depletion with the mod CHO days anyway - let me think about this one...I have to revisit HST principles and review it myself to see if it is in line. I will try and respond later tonight/tomorrow for you.

D_

**snakemw** · 02-02-2008, 05:59 PM

sounds good, D.

I know you have been busy lately, but did you get the response to our last conversations through email?

**dinoiii** · 02-02-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by snakemw

sounds good, D.

I know you have been busy lately, but did you get the response to our last conversations through email?

yes, I did actually - I have to go back and review...it seems as though emails have picked up rather than settle down since my sister's situation. HA! But I will dig it out and try and offer response to you tomorrow - actually wrote it in my appointment book for tomorrow morning. (look for it)

D_

**snakemw** · 02-02-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dinoiii

yes, I did actually - I have to go back and review...it seems as though emails have picked up rather than settle down since my sister's situation. HA! But I will dig it out and try and offer response to you tomorrow - actually wrote it in my appointment book for tomorrow morning. (look for it)

D_

you are the man D. I eagerly await your response.

**snakemw** · 02-07-2008, 05:49 AM

no email as of yet if you sent it out D_.