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sfearl1 · 03-04-2008, 03:02 PM

Hey D i am sure you're probably playing catch up after being away at the arnold but if you could chime in here and let me know what i should go ahead and look into first, that would be great. i don't need a full answer, just something for me to start researching and reading up on. i'm anxious to begin

**dinoiii** · 03-11-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sfearl1

I'm just lost when it comes to dieting and cutting. i've tried it twice over the last 4 years of my bodybuilding 'career' and both times i've gone straight back into bulking in fear (actually more like ocd) of losing lean body mass and getting weak. i'm not sure if i need a ckd diet or what, but i definitely need a push in the right direction. here's my stats..

What you describe is typically not atypical. Veiwing yourself on a daily basis doesn't help either, though people on the outside-looking-in would probably approximate you to be bigger than the remainder of the "pack."

I think it is time to chose overall though. What is your primary goal from this kind of thing (bb that is)?

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25
5'7"
192lbs
~13% bf

Decent size for your height at a pretty low bodyfat percentage. Let me ask this - would a route to "cutting" be designed to compete at all OR is this merely to get in shape for beach-season, et al?

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i just finished a long test cycle and completed a good pct as well.

What does the above mean to YOU?

First, what ester was used with the test?

What constitutes a "good" (relative term that may mean something completely different to me) PCT?

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For the last 4 months or so my diet has pretty much been...

9am: 2 scoops whey, 1 cup oats, 16 ounces skim milk
10am/pre wo: 1/2 pb&j sandwich
10:30am lift
11:30am: 2 scoops whey, 1 cup oats, 16 ounces skim milk
12pm: other 1/2 pb&j sandwich
2pm: 6 oz. chicken breast, 1/2 cup brown rice/pasta, 1/2 cup green beans
4pm: 6 0z. chicken breast, 1/2 cup brown rice/pasta, 1/2 cup green beans
6pm: 2 cube steaks, salad, slice of french bread
8pm: 1 can of tuna, salad, olive oil
10pm: 1/2 cup cottage cheese
11pm: 2 scoops whey

of course sometimes it was another can of tuna instead of a chicken breast, or beef stew instead of the tuna, etc.

There is an inherent problem here. One of the things that I tell my clients (its the general prescription for my company is that both training and diet have official "LIFE CYCLES."

The life cycle of any diet is about 3 months (to which, you have exceeded). So, it is obviously time to change "something" - to get a clearer picture of what that is is still debatable but I will continue to read along.

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my short term goals are to lean up (8-10% would be ideal) and maybe recomp or even cut into summer. i'll be getting bloodwork done in april, and if i have a clean bill of health, i'm going to be going on again june 1st.

Please, if this is the case...do NOT employ "test esters" for this projected cycle. Not for your prototypical "cut" for sure.

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I'm interested in the idea of using a 'prime' shortly before this so when i get on, i'll be able to explode (and hopefully stay lean) with the nutrients i pour on and the aas i'm supplementing.

What are you referencing with the word "prime?"

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This is when i think a ckd could come in handy. maybe ckd all of may, then go on a recomp starting june 1st? i am lost obviously. my cycle will most likely utilize short acting esters like test prop, tren ace, and possibly winstrol or anavar.

Well, there is some incongruency here.

A CKD is generally considered "recomp" rather than what you may think. Tren is a better base vs. a test (prop included) due to the level of aromatization if you are to maintain a steady serum level which woud be necessary long-term. Var is a nice agent, but you may be able to get basic C17-alkylated legal agents vs. this that would harbor the same toxicity when using a comparative active dose of Var anyway to be honest with you. Ever experienced a burn from Winny? May be slightly uncomfortable if you have never gone down that route in the past.

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i'm currently using this routine (with days off in between where needed)...

chest
heavy deadlift/bi's
shoulders
heavy squats/tri's
back

Remember when I advised above that the life cycle of a diet approximiates 12 weeks (or 3 months). The life cycle of a training program design approximates a much shorter time frame (about 4 weeks of the same cycle).

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my main problem is, when do i cut, recomp, ckd, prime, recomp again...etc? what diet should i use? what routine should be followed? i'm completely lost when it comes to dieting down and keeping my lbm. heck, if i can recomp, and add to it that would be even better. any and all help would be appreciated.

I cannot unfortunately write a complete diet as this would be direct competition with the business I do outside of the boards and hits me hard as far as time constraint to develop one for people at the lag of keeping up with my own clients (who take obvious priority). If you want advice in this domain, I can forward you the materials (of which too need to cover me legally if this is something you really do want which is another rationale for why I don't just post them up). That said, if you are curious about a routine that you have already in your position, the time constraint falls to a minimum and I may be able to address it accordingly - but as you see...the longer the questions, the more time it takes for me to return an adequate answer to help you in the best way possible.

Never "lose hope" in me, I WILL get to ALL questions, but the part that is in conflict is that I deal with over 1600+ people per week that are paying clients...they obviously come first. The boards unfortunately remain an in-between, which I hope is understood, I also address about 60-80% (the number has actually dropped since my sister and the Arnold as you stated above while playing catch up) of 200-400 emails/PMs PER DAY which too usually come before the boards unless I answer emails for say an hour or three and get a little tired and then I come and address board concepts.

Addressing the things you have written in order...

Cuts and Bulks = not a general fan of this concept exactly, but then again - taking a step or two back to finally take a step or two forward often leaves you in the same position you started so I never could fathom this concept personally

Recomp / CKD = same category generally, so I am curious who has professed otherwise

Prime = a term I remain unfamiliar with, so I am uncertain where this has come from; 16 years and I have never heard of it in this industry

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sfearl1 · 03-11-2008, 01:07 PM

D, first of all, thank you for your detailed response. I didn't realize how hectic your schedule was! Sounds like you have a lot on your plate at the moment! I've got a few answers/replies to your responses...

As far as goals go, I am primarily trying to get into shape at this point. I haven't ruled out competing, perhaps down the road, but just don't see that happening within the next 2 years.

Are you saying don't use testosterone at all for a proposed cycle?

I felt that my pct was good for a number of reasons. I retained all weight I gained aside from approx. 3-4lbs lbm (lost about 5 lbs total but accounted water weight for a few of those lbs). I measure bodyfat with the cheap calipers but it's given me the same readings every time and along with my mirror, I had a pretty good idea of the fat gain in pct, which was very very minimal. Also, I felt like I was physically 'up and running' the first week out, in regards to my testes and their bounce back to size. Strength has gone down only slightly, and this is approx. 8 weeks out from my cycle right now. So all in all, I felt it was a very positive experience. I have bloodwork april 23rd, so that will be the final determining factor.

This is the thread over at am that i've been following, and the thread where i pulled the idea of priming from...

Burst cycliing - Page 5

If you can get over there and read some of that, and maybe even comment on it, here or there, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I linked the individual post that priming was brought up in, but the thread actually started about 5-6 pages earlier and is 8 pages long.

Again, thank you for the response. Much appreciated.

sfearl1 · 03-24-2008, 07:04 PM

D- wanted to give you an update and tell you where i'm at and see if you have any thoughts

i've recently began a ckd program. m-f i take in less than 20-30g carbs ED and i refeed saturday afternoon through sunday evening. i'm currently using an hst routine (hypertrophy specific training). i'm not too sure if you're familiar with that training style or not but its basically progessive load with submaximal weights up until your max lifts which you hit at the end of every two weeks ('meso cycles'). i thought this would be a perfect match with ckd because it basically has a built in depletion workout (your max lifts at the end of every 2 week meso cycle). to get a better idea you might wanna check out Hypertrophy-Specific Nutrition™ . if you have any thoughts on this i'd love to hear them. also, when should i be hitting ketosis approximately?? i feel like my refeeds are almost like cheating!