CKD, Weight Training, and Insulin Release (caffeine related)

[B-natural]

Alright D, its well known that you helped me devise the plan I am currently employing.

I am still curious if I've ever established TRUE ketosis. In my attempts to be able to truly establish this. I am curious if I can keep my supercomp period to fri and sat. And begin my workout sessions on say Sunday night to begin depletion sooner and possibly establish ketosis quicker and for longer....

Please clue me in here....

I was also skimming through Lyle's book and something I overlooked was the potential release of insulin and breaking down glycogen with the release of adrenaline when I consume caffeine products... I'll occasionally have an energy drink, 1x/wk (sugar-free) but with the recent addition of Levi Reloaded in the a.m. and pre-workout I am curious if this will have a negative impact on my CKD...

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by B-natural

Alright D, its well known that you helped me devise the plan I am currently employing.

Ok.

I am still curious if I've ever established TRUE ketosis. In my attempts to be able to truly establish this.

Again, don't get too caught up here. Some will NEVER accomplish ketosis and unless I probably develop your plan down to what you are eating exactly, I cannot take credit there...but in the same sense, it is very difficult and as I have told you I am not necessarily a fan of anything more than a "controlled carb-up" which would make establishing even lower blood sugar periods more of an easier feat. That said, many people when constructing plans on their own already set themselves up for not accomplishing such a state by getting a little overzealous in the department of a "carb-up." (aka - uncontrolled cheat) Sound familiar?

I am curious if I can keep my supercomp period to fri and sat. And begin my workout sessions on say Sunday night to begin depletion sooner and possibly establish ketosis quicker and for longer....

You would NOT be taking advantage of the true glycogen recomp at this point. This usually is established with 48 hours of a "controlled carb-up." So, I would say as long as your carb-up is set where you are not employing low-->no carbs again after a 48-hour period, then sure. It is probably more an effect of what time you are actually accomplishing your carb-depletion workout on Fridays.




[/quote]I was also skimming through Lyle's book and something I overlooked was the potential release of insulin and breaking down glycogen with the release of adrenaline when I consume caffeine products... I'll occasionally have an energy drink, 1x/wk (sugar-free) but with the recent addition of Levi Reloaded in the a.m. and pre-workout I am curious if this will have a negative impact on my CKD...[/quote]

Probably inconsequential, but the biggest concern with heavy caffeine employment is cortisol release (keep in mind that fat loss IS catabolic by default). The other counter-regulatory hormones (adrenaline in the U.K. -aka- epinephrine in the U.S.) will merely follow suit. I think McDonald was probably over-simplifying the concept for the masses, but it isn't as cut and dry as you have written it, by any stretch.

I assume you are using caffeine to elevate your energy level at least acutely rather than contribute to body composition change as caffeine has marginal (at best) effect on that...probably no effect actually.


D_

[B-natural]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Again, don't get too caught up here. Some will NEVER accomplish ketosis and unless I probably develop your plan down to what you are eating exactly, I cannot take credit there...but in the same sense, it is very difficult and as I have told you I am not necessarily a fan of anything more than a "controlled carb-up" which would make establishing even lower blood sugar periods more of an easier feat. That said, many people when constructing plans on their own already set themselves up for not accomplishing such a state by getting a little overzealous in the department of a "carb-up." (aka - uncontrolled cheat) Sound familiar?

Ok, so I swayed, once maybe twice in the beginning, comp prep around the holidays is horrible for me, this is why future shows will fall later in the year, as its easier to keep the cut look during the summer, and the winter coat-ish effect later in the yr. My carb-ups are much more structured at this time. Just bought more brown rice/sweet potatoes for 2nd 24hrs, because if I make it, I don't like it to spoil, so I make it aout 2 days early, that way its gotta be eaten or it will go bad....

You would NOT be taking advantage of the true glycogen recomp at this point. This usually is established with 48 hours of a "controlled carb-up." So, I would say as long as your carb-up is set where you are not employing low-->no carbs again after a 48-hour period, then sure. It is probably more an effect of what time you are actually accomplishing your carb-depletion workout on Fridays.

Early a.m.
5:30a.m. protein meal, 7:30a.m. depletion workout, I get up as early as possible to get this done, I've found trying to get in all of my carbs makes for a stinky evening, as the digestion of them isn't pleasant....

Probably inconsequential, but the biggest concern with heavy caffeine employment is cortisol release (keep in mind that fat loss IS catabolic by default). The other counter-regulatory hormones (adrenaline in the U.K. -aka- epinephrine in the U.S.) will merely follow suit. I think McDonald was probably over-simplifying the concept for the masses, but it isn't as cut and dry as you have written it, by any stretch.

I've learned nothing is clear cut without some sort of back story or is written exactly how it should be, without other factors coming into play....

I assume you are using caffeine to elevate your energy level at least acutely rather than contribute to body composition change as caffeine has marginal (at best) effect on that...probably no effect actually.
D_

C'mon D, I've read enough to know about caffeine bein the bomb-diggity-fresh for a recomp it is merely as a stimulant to keep me moving, I actually don't like it, because of the drowsy feeling after the effects wear off, and my mind just says "you know, this is eating what you worked for, all that muscle, what a waste" so I limit it as best as I can.