Insulin Manipulation

[snakemw]

Dana,
just wondering what your thoughts on this were, and if it might be a topic in an upcoming newsletter.

[dinoiii]

Wow snake, this is pretty broad.

Well - without getting too crazy...a book (likely a November/December-ish release if the publisher is prompt) will talk about this VERY thoroughly.

If you have specific questions within this topic, I'd be happy to answer them though.


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[egodog48]

Ive got a question about it. I have a very narrow understanding about insulin manipulation and how to use it to gain size, could you give me a brief rundown as to how to use it to my benefit withuot using exogeneous sources of insulin. Ex. post and pre workout, before bed.

[B-natural]

ooooo, I'm interested here as well...

[snakemw]

Ego had some good ?'s. I guess i have a very vague understanding of it, so it has hard for me to ask in depth ?'s at this time. A couple of ?'s would be: how effective is it in relation to a Recomp diet via CKD, and maybe could you give just a broad overview of how it works in general.

[dinoiii]

Ok, something to work with...

Originally Posted by egodog48

Ive got a question about it. I have a very narrow understanding about insulin manipulation and how to use it to gain size, could you give me a brief rundown as to how to use it to my benefit withuot using exogeneous sources of insulin. Ex. post and pre workout, before bed.

As many of you know, my protocol harvests a pre-workout macronutrient depletion state (allowance for counter-regulatory hormones to take center stage; counter-regulatory hormones defined as those that oppose insulin's actions: glucagon, catecholamines like norepinephrine/epinephrine - even dopamine...but this is sort of a cross between a hormone and neurotransmitter and a discussion for another day, and finally growth hormone). If you ingest macronutrients, you will get an insulin response and while this is ok if weight gain is your sole goal...impedence of the counter-regulatory hormones does NOTHING for body composition. Now, I have interacted with you enough to know your concern is true size and that's fine, but a workout with hampered blood flow to the muscle (because it is shunted to the gut for digestion) as well as impedence of catecholamines is NOT a workout you should be employing. In an upcoming book, I will get REALLY in depth on all the transit times and so forth and it will afford a much greater ability to discuss this than this thread...but I think you get the general idea.

Post-workout and the so-called "anabolic window." First, this will depend on the diet (40/40/20, CKD, strict keto, et al...) But, in order to understand this, an article I have coming up for AX magazine really hits the intracacy of this feature. All macros contribute to an insulinomimetic response; one thing most authors don't hit on is that there are also two phases of insulin release and you can take all of these features and come up with an essential gameplan. Understand the term anabolic by definition is simply building up things (and we certainly can cross our fingers in hopes that its all muscle, but the liklihood is slim for the better 99.9% of us that obviously don't harbor the physique of our dreams while looking for a natural route to looking svelte! ).

There are specialty-designed post-workout protocols that will vary per diet and I hope to be able to get into this more and more in the coming weeks. You will see articles likely fast and furious from me once August and September hit.

Originally Posted by snakemw

Ego had some good ?'s. I guess i have a very vague understanding of it, so it has hard for me to ask in depth ?'s at this time. A couple of ?'s would be: how effective is it in relation to a Recomp diet via CKD, and maybe could you give just a broad overview of how it works in general.

I am unsure but think you mean insulin modulation versus glycogen depletion. If this is so, we can address it as such. Both processes can essentially be dictated by the CKD and/or ketogenic diet as "keto" by and large doesn't necessarily have to successfuly occur to have success with these kind of diets. Many people wind up outside of ketosis, yet still modulating insulin better (recall fat LOSS -or- loss of any tissue is catabolic; so the opposite process insulin would be required for) and as a result still see body comp changes.

Does this make sense the way I am describing it to you?



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[muad33b]

It makes sense to me, but I think the questions are around something like this new MRI supplement ISF-7, and the idea of taking things like ALA to increase "insulin sensitivity" as the hype here is that increasing this sensitivity will cause muscle tissue to grow more readily... is that true? e.g. does going on a CKD for awhile increase your 'baseline" insulin sensitivity? Could folks who are borderline type 2 diabetic "step back from the cliff" a bit with a supplementation protocol?

[muad33b]

Another thought on this, if recomp/fat loss is the goal, is there a benefit to no PWO carbs so that the counter-regulatory response can continue longer?

[B-natural]

Hopefully your q's will be answered muad, as this really has intrigued me for quite some time

[dinoiii]

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