08-04-2008, 09:27 PM
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Status: Studly Mamba Jamba
Join Date: Jun 2007
Age: 30
Posts: 350
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Originally Posted by code0824
Can some one compare the labels for me and talk me off the AI CS and on to this product. Honestly im not being a prick i just dont if there is a big difference? I LOVE CEL as many of you know... great product... sell it to me CEL reps... 
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Here ya go...
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Cycle Support Supplement Facts
Red Yeast Rice 1200 mg
Silymarin (Milk Thistel Extract) 1000 mg
NAC 1200 mg
Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
Saw Palmetto 300 mg
Policosonol 20 mg
Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
Nettle Root 250 mg
Idebenone 100 mg
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Cycle Assist
Serving Size: 4 capsules
Servings Per Container: 60
Ingredients (per serving):
N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine... 750 mg
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin)... 500 mg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5)... 500 mg
Hawthorne Berry Extract (Standardized to 1.8% Vitexin)... 300 mg
Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL)... 200 mg
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids)... 160 mg
Celery Seed Extract (10:1)... 75 mg
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins)... 75 mg
Policosanol... 20 mg
Zinc Gluconate... 15 mg
Other ingredients: Magnesium Stearate
Directions: Take 4 capsules twice daily spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart, preferably with meals.
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All-In-One On Cycle Support Solution
Cycle Assist is designed to be an all-in-one support solution for basic on cycle and post cycle therapy needs. Cycle Assist contains a combination of specifically dosed ingredients designed to help provide liver, blood pressure, cholesterol, prostate, and acne support.
Why choose Cycle Assist?
Cycle Assist offers effective dosages of specific ingredients designed to help maximize results. There are no filler ingredients. Cycle Assist is straight to the point and properly dosed to not only provide you with the most effective product for your on cycle and post cycle support needs, but also the most cost effective one as well.
Also, unlike many other products in its class, every herb in Cycle Assist is a standardized extract and the standardization amount is clearly identified on the label. This is extremely important because it is the amount of active ingredient that an herb is standardized for that determines the level of benefits received from it.
Example: A product can be dosed very high in mg of herb powder, but standardized poorly and therefore offer very little if anything in terms of effectiveness.
Cost Effective Price + Adequately Dosed + Standardized Potencies =
All in One Support Solution
Examining the Ingredients:
N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine –
N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC) is an amino acid derivative that is not present in the diet and must be obtained through supplementation. It is more stable than regular L-Cysteine, and offers a variety of overall health benefits.
NAC exerts powerful antioxidant effects and serves to boost immune function and support optimal liver function by acting as a glutathione precursor.
Milk Thistle –
Milk Thistle is standardized for Silymarin, which is well known to help support normal liver function. It exerts both a protective and detoxification benefits.
What is the importance of it being standardized?
The amount of Silymarin delivered by any Milk Thistle product directly relates to the amount of benefit that the product offers. Cycle Assist is standardized to 80% Silymarin. If a product does not state how much Silymarin it is standardized for, you simply don’t know how much benefit you will receive from the product
Pantothenic Acid:
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) is involved in the production of red blood cells and adrenal hormones. The body converts is to Coenzyme A, which is important for energy production in the body. Pantothenic Acid is thought to help maintain healthy cholesterol and triglyceride levels, and also is used frequently to help combat and prevent acne.
Hawthorn Berry Extract:
Hawthorne Berry Extract is commonly used to help support various aspects of cardiovascular function, including high blood pressure and cholesterol. It has been shown to encourage normal blood flow throughout the cardiovascular system.
What is the importance of it being standardized?
The level of benefits that Hawthorn Berry has to offer is directly related to the amount extract that the individual product in question provides. Hawthorn can be shown to present extractions for various compounds; in Cycle Assist, the Hawthorn Extract is shown to be reflected to at least 1.8% Vitexin which is the standardization that is widely used in hawthorn products specifically designed for optimal blood pressure and cholesterol support.
Vitamin B-6:
Vitamin B6 is a water soluble vitamin that performs a wide variety of functions in the body. It plays an important role in helping maintain healthy skin and hair, is important for proper circulatory function, and is essential for red blood cell formation and protein metabolism. Vitamin B6 is important for cardiovascular function because it is involved in regulating blood pressure as well as other heart functions. It is also important for helping regulate homocysteine levels.
Saw Palmetto Extract:
Saw Palmetto contains a variety of fatty acids as well as phystosterols. These active ingredients help inhibit the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme that turns testosterone into dehydrotestosterone (DHT) and also helps block the binding of DHT to prostate cells.
What is the importance of it being standardized?
The importance of Saw Palmetto Berries being used as a standardized extract is because the percentage of standardized extract represents the amount of fatty acids and phytosterols that are in the product. This directly relates to the level of benefits that the product will provide.
Celery Seed Extract:
Celery Seed Extract is commonly used to help lower blood pressure, cholesterol, and improve circulation. Celery Seed Extract contains the compound 3nB, which acts to help lower blood pressure by acting as both a diuretic and a vasodilator through impacting prostaglandin function. It is also important to note that unlike some diuretics, 3nB doesn’t change the ratio of sodium to potassium in the blood; this is important because by not altering that ratio, the common side effects associated with some diuretics are avoided.
What is the importance of it being standardized?
As discussed above, it is the 3nB in the Celery Seed Extract that is responsible for the positive effects on blood pressure, cholesterol, and circulation.
Grape Seed Extract:
Grape Seed Extract is a potent antioxidant and free radical scavenger. It is used to help support cardiovascular and immune function, as well as to support healthy cholesterol levels and skin elasticity.
What is the importance of the standardization/concentration?
The benefits of Grape Seed Extract are due to the Oligomeric Proanthocyanidins content. There are numerous standardizations available; Cycle Assist uses a Grape Seed Extract that contains 95% Proanthocyanidins to help insure maximum results.
Policosanol:
Policosanol is commonly used to help support healthy cholesterol levels and cardiovascular health.
Policosanol is a mixture of long chain fatty alcohols derived from sugar cane; these alcohols are regarded to possess considerable antioxidant capacity.
Zinc Gluconate:
Zinc is an essential mineral that is involved in over 200 enzymatic reactions in the body. It functions as an antioxidant so it is beneficial for immune support. Zinc is also important in the prostate and may help protect it from damage. It is also thought to be beneficial for skin health, maintaining cholesterol levels to within normal range, and playing an important role in the detoxification of alcohol in the liver.
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08-04-2008, 09:38 PM
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Status: Curls For The Girls
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 8,381
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Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs
Be glad to clarify on that:
1. Are you familiar with the different extracts of Hawthorn? The type extract that we use (the 1.8% vitexin) is the same that is used in Natures Way's Heartcare Hawthorn and they recomend 1 tablet twice daily or 2 caps 3 x per day for intensive use at a dose of 80 mg; ours is 300 mg per dose so it exceeds even their intensive dosage protocol. I cite that product for example because if you look toward many blood pressure and cholesterol sites and forums, that one has some excellent feedback on it.
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Not particularly familiar with that extract. The most common one I have seen is the crataegus oxycantha either from berry or fruit. I'll have to look into the vitexin. Seems interesting. I see NOW offers the same hawthorne extract and recommends 300mg 1 or 2 times per day.
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2. It is a higher dosage of B6 than many are accustomed to seeing, but it is not too high in terms of being beneficial for helping with high blood pressure and cholesterol. To the contrary, it is high dosing in that range that seems to be most effective with that.
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Initially I thought you were aiming this towards those prolactin scared cyclers. Interesting angle though with the BP and Cholesterol (which does it primarily improve btw, LDL, HDL, other?).
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3. Thank you; I feel the same way
4. No real comment there.
Dont take my explanations as argumentative; you asked questions so I simply answered them as to why we dosed it the way we did.
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Agreed.
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08-04-2008, 10:16 PM
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#33
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Status: Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: California
Age: 29
Posts: 623
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I have been looking forward your non-hormonal stuff. Looks good guys. 
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08-04-2008, 11:42 PM
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#34
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Status: Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 50
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I wanted to point out that in reference to Solomans comparison - for those that didnt see the breakdown on page 3, remember that you are comparing 2 servings of Cycle Support to one serving of Cycle Assist.
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08-04-2008, 11:47 PM
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#35
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Status: Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 50
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Originally Posted by Travis
Not particularly familiar with that extract. The most common one I have seen is the crataegus oxycantha either from berry or fruit. I'll have to look into the vitexin. Seems interesting. I see NOW offers the same hawthorne extract and recommends 300mg 1 or 2 times per day.
Initially I thought you were aiming this towards those prolactin scared cyclers. Interesting angle though with the BP and Cholesterol (which does it primarily improve btw, LDL, HDL, other?).
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From feedback on other brands and products, we felt that was the most effective Hawthorn Extract to go with. Hope from what you saw with the NW and NOW ones that you will agree that its not underdosed at all.
I would have to look up the info on B6 related to cholesterol myself to be more specific; as reflected in the write up though, it is primarily in there for BP and overall cardiovasular health. Excerpt:
Vitamin B-6:
Vitamin B6 is a water soluble vitamin that performs a wide variety of functions in the body. It plays an important role in helping maintain healthy skin and hair, is important for proper circulatory function, and is essential for red blood cell formation and protein metabolism. Vitamin B6 is important for cardiovascular function because it is involved in regulating blood pressure as well as other heart functions. It is also important for helping regulate homocysteine levels.
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08-05-2008, 12:46 AM
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#36
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Status: Studly Mamba Jamba
Join Date: Jun 2007
Age: 30
Posts: 350
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Originally Posted by CompEdgeLabs
I wanted to point out that in reference to Solomans comparison - for those that didnt see the breakdown on page 3, remember that you are comparing 2 servings of Cycle Support to one serving of Cycle Assist.
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My bad, I should have pointed that one out. FWIW, I think you guys have a winner here. I'll be using this for my next cycle. 
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08-05-2008, 12:15 PM
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#37
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Status: Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 114
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Originally Posted by GQ-Nemesis
i would run C-Assist for a mild/easy Ph cycle .. but for a hardcore cycle i wuld still run CS by AI .. cycleassist is great and has almost everything but red yeast rice( which 1 serving in CS provides 1.2G
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IMHO, RYR should be avoided; I don't remember the reason why, but it should be, hence the reason why AI also makes a RYR-free version.
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Originally Posted by Travis
3. I like how you left out the RYR. Good move.
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Agreed.
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08-05-2008, 12:34 PM
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#38
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Status: Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by Beejis60
IMHO, RYR should be avoided; I don't remember the reason why, but it should be, hence the reason why AI also makes a RYR-free version.
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As regards to RYR:
Some batches were tested and found to contain high doses of a statin (lovastatin) which could potentially be dangerous. These batches have since been banned however there is now a concern that some batches may contain citrinin, which is toxic to humans.
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Last edited by usf97j4x4; 08-05-2008 at 01:55 PM.
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08-05-2008, 12:35 PM
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#39
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Status: LRN483 5% off@TrueProtien
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Detroit
Posts: 6,180
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Originally Posted by usf97j4x4
Some batches were tested and found to contain high doses of a statin (lovastatin) which could potentially be dangerous. These batches have since been banned however there is now a concern that some batches may contain citrinin, which is toxic to humans.
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do you have batch #s?
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08-05-2008, 01:54 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by LLLLern
do you have batch #s?
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No, contaminated RYR was found in batches from numerous sources.
For those reading this I am referring to RED YEAST RICE, NOT CYCLE ASSIST! lol
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