8-week Cutting Cycle

[breakerbreaker19]

Hey CEL! I am wanting to do an 8-week cutting cycle while on a near Keto/UD 2.0 type of diet. I plan on using Lipolyze (low dose Usnic Acid) during these weeks along with a fair dose of 11-oxo. After looking up reviews about P-mag, it seems to be superior to H-Drol. It seems people can feel it kick in quicker and actually have lost MORE b/f than on H-Drol when cutting.

Do you guys believe P-mag is worth a shot? I am tossing between 'The One' and the new 'Protodrol' for a cutting cycle. All three of these compounds seem like great candidates for cutting but try to swing me to the CEL's side if you can Also, would stacking two compounds be beneficial if just on a cut? Seeing how P-mag is a 'class 2' ph and maybe stacking it with a class 1 would be nice but not worth it for the cost if on a cut... So... some advice would be great since I can't make up my mind. Thanks LB!

[mw1]

I personally dont suggest the Usnic Acid and would drop it ---- With Hdrol you will probably drop more BF than w/ P-mag but with proper diet they are very comparable. I would rely too much on the class 1/2 protocol as there are many inconsistencies with it
..11oxo can be effective when dosed high enough (with hdrol) - what dosages were you thinking of running?

[jcsti]

h drol got me ripped i love that stuff

[breakerbreaker19]

Originally Posted by mw1

I personally dont suggest the Usnic Acid and would drop it ---- With Hdrol you will probably drop more BF than w/ P-mag but with proper diet they are very comparable. I would rely too much on the class 1/2 protocol as there are many inconsistencies with it
..11oxo can be effective when dosed high enough (with hdrol) - what dosages were you thinking of running?

Thank you for the reply! So you think H-Drol for more 'pure BF lost'? I was thinking about doing 600mg of 11-oxo. I am only talking about 72mg of Usnic acid. I have done blood work from before and after 8 weeks of UA before and every value was in perfect range. I always tend to lose at LEAST 2-3% extra BF when using it.

If going to use H-Drol solo, what dosages would you recommend? I am thinking starting at 75mg would be nice to just have it kick in sooner than later

[mw1]

I stand firm on the Usnic Acid...600-800mgs of 11oxo with 75mgs of Hdrol should work very well

[breakerbreaker19]

Originally Posted by mw1

I stand firm on the Usnic Acid...600-800mgs of 11oxo with 75mgs of Hdrol should work very well

HAHA! Ok sorry mw1. lol

Any benefit to going up to 100mgs? Sometimes i read it is a night and day difference while others seem to differ.. I guess I am the only one to judge that based on how I feel during the cycle.

[mw1]

Well ...'A LOT" of the time it only brings more sides but not as much gains- and for a cut 75mgs should certainly do you more good

[littlrook]

so i was planning on starting a 6wk pmag run at 75mg and was thinking of throwing in 2-300 mg of 11oxo for fat loss. my question is would i be better off saving the 11oxo till the end and upping the dosage, or just staying low for the whole cycle. and if i did run it during, would reduce xt during pct possibly cause a cortisol rebound after pct? don't mean to hijack but since the OP had the same idea basically thought i would ask.

[breakerbreaker19]

Originally Posted by littlrook

so i was planning on starting a 6wk pmag run at 75mg and was thinking of throwing in 2-300 mg of 11oxo for fat loss. my question is would i be better off saving the 11oxo till the end and upping the dosage, or just staying low for the whole cycle. and if i did run it during, would reduce xt during pct possibly cause a cortisol rebound after pct? don't mean to hijack but since the OP had the same idea basically thought i would ask.

Well, I aint the CEL dude lol but It it were me, I'd run 11oxo throughout and then up it at the end if your wanting to do a bridge type thing. People get so caught up on 11-oxo being ONLY a bridge ph. It can be used and performs wonderfully, throughout a cycle too for fat loss. I can do basically as much cardio as I can and workout very hard while ON with 11oxo because the recovery is insane and low cort with so much cardio is still going to lead to fat loss and throwing a PH on top of it and your golden. IMO, I have always waited 2 weeks into pct to start any cort assisting from 11oxo such as 7-keto or something... But then again, I don't bridge so a rebound might hit faster than 2 weeks...

The problem I have with a bridge is that your yanking your cort to the bottom with heavyheavy 11-oxo doses and then out of nowhere stopping it when pct hits...which triggers it to rebound. High than normal cortisol while raising estro in pct is not what I have in mind. People seem to just use the bridge to "clean" up their waist line from their lack of clean foods during a bulk when they should have been taking 11-oxo the whole time during it to KEEP from gaining what they are trying to lose at the end.

PEACE!