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    Quote Originally Posted by meksi View Post
    Easy, are you kids still alive after they tried to off you with their toy truck and door jam? I'da shot them on the spot!
    yeah, fukit I figure I can use it to torture them with whenever I need to
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    Quote Originally Posted by meksi View Post
    where you crazy kids be hangin at now?
    Mostly on the Internet






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    Quote Originally Posted by meksi View Post
    where you crazy kids be hangin at now?
    Not active. I try and lurk at few sites for updates, but that is the extent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hook View Post
    Mostly on the Internet
    You got connected like neo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Bickle View Post
    You got pegged like neo?


    thats cool, bros...was out of the game for a while and getting back to it. Mtn biking, lifting again and working out for a potential mtn hike. Feels good, but painful as well.
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    I've been trying to get fat for better before pics. It's hard. I just eat bagels all day.






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    switch to pop tarts, I heard they're anabolic
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    Btw this months Internet drama

    http://www.jissn.com/content/11/1/54/abstract






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    a little bit small of a group, and the abstract doesn't state how long the period was so i'm not sure it was necessarily long enough to be relevant. not entirely a surprise though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    a little bit small of a group, and the abstract doesn't state how long the period was so i'm not sure it was necessarily long enough to be relevant. not entirely a surprise though.
    4 weeks.

    Fb person:

    (I posted this elsewhere, but it's relevant here too)

    I wonder how many people sharing the link to the new study about fasted cardio, claiming it's a death stroke to broscience, actually read the full text (http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/s12970-014-0054-7.pdf).

    A few things worth pointing out here:

    1) the study was only 4 weeks long. That's not very long for a training study to tease out a significant difference, especially if a huge difference isn't expected.

    2) the average weight loss wasn't very robust. Not TOO bad for 4 weeks, but we're talking about 1.6kg (for the fasted cardio group) and 1.0kg (for the fed group) in spite of supposedly eating ~1250 calories/day. The average weight loss was only roughly 2/3 of a pound per week. Color me skeptical, but that raises some flags for me concerning adherence, although this study did a MUCH better job of monitoring adherence than most.

    3) in basically every relevant metric, the fasted group was getting better results than the fed group. 60% more weight loss (1.6kg vs. 1.0kg), 86% larger reduction in body fat percentage (body fat percentage decrease of 1.3% vs. 0.7%), and 57% greater reduction in fat mass (1.1kg reduction vs. 0.7kg reduction).

    So really it depends how you read the results. If you take them at face value, there's no significant (statistically significant) differences between groups. However, you shouldn't really expect to see significant differences between groups - all the changes that took place were quite small. But if all you're looking for is p<0.05, then fasted cardio is no better than fed cardio.

    The other way to look at the study - it seems like it's heading toward a ringing vindication of fasted cardio...if it was continued for 12-16 weeks instead of just 4. The fasted group was losing more weight and more fat, but the differences simply were't large enough to reach significance after only 4 weeks.

    Anyway, I think think this study offers weak evidence in support of fasted cardio being better, NOT strong evidence in support of there being no difference. However, either are certainly better than none.

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    Greg Nuckols: Not sure why you feel we wouldn't get significant results in 4 weeks? This is certainly sufficient time to realize significant differences in weight loss (which we did). We kept it to 4 weeks to help ensure compliance to the diet and reporting -- during longer term studies there is a tendency to revert to previous diet habits, particularly in college-subjects. As far as the statistics, it is not simply a matter of the p-value showing lack of statistical significance. Take a look at the effect size data which is a more telling stat here -- the ES differences were negligible between groups. And you can't simply extrapolate that if the study were carried out for longer that the small difference in wt loss for fasted would have continued linearly over time to produce greater and greater fat loss -- it just as easily could have turned the other way. I'm in the process of writing a blog post on the study that will address these and other nuances of the study.






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    gotta love statistical significance
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