M I L K

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What is everyones goal in drinking it? More calories? More protein? I think if your trying to add more calories or more protein a drink like whey+pasteurized egg whites+ENOVA owns milk. Same thing if your just looking for protein the sub out the ENOVA.

I do love the buttery goodness of milk but it makes me a fatty mcfatterson.

[usf97j4x4]

lol i have milk in my protein shake before bed. Helps to beef up my beefersons.

[TheeBC]

What is ENOVA?

Secondly, My FAT FREE MILK - 0g 12g sugar 9 protein

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Originally Posted by LBVT

Not true. One serving (8 oz.) of skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milk all contain 12g of CHO and 8g of protein. Fat content varies.

Sorry but you are incorrect sir.

T.G. Fat Free milk has 1g MORE Protein and 1g MORE Sugar than both their Whole and 2% products, and = sugar with 1g MORE Protein than their 1%.
Fluid Products

Thanks
RT

[TheeBC]

SHUTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheeBC]

Originally Posted by Travis

Milk is for babies...

ahahaha

[GeneGnome]

Originally Posted by PozzSka

I grew up chubby as well. I haven't touched milk in years.

What are your goals? Fat loss, weight gain?

For fat loss i would say skip it. It is very insulinogenic, so releasing tons of insulin. Not great for fat loss.

For weight gain, it may be ok for you due to the increases in IGF-1 it causes. But, that effects all tissue, muscle, fat, bone etc.

he talks about a bunch of stuff, but he mentions the increase in IGF-1 due to milk intake.

This is interesting.

It seems a bbing lifestyle would accelerate ageing in numerous ways. Anabolic pathways seem to accelerate it (like insulin/IGF-1, mTOR, etc) while those associated with atrophy of muscle and oxidative phenotypes (endurance exercise) slow ageing in animal models. This includes the FOXO, sirtuins, PGC-1alpha (master regulator of mitochondria biogenesis) etc pathways (which are all linked in various ways).

Resveratrol, caloric restriction, and (endurance) exercise all use the latter pathway and extend lifespan pretty significantly in lower animal models, as well as preventing many ageing related diseases like cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, alzheimers, etc

Off hand I know creatine increases plasma IGF-1, as well as TRPV1 ligands (capsaicin, raspberry ketones, etc). Any AAS would obviously do this as well.

Course free IGF-1 to bound IGF ratios are also significantly effected by diet and fat ratios.

The question that need to be answered is to what relevance is all of this to humans. I am betting bodybuilders on average have significantly lower lifespans.

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Originally Posted by GeneGnome

s.This is interesting.

It seems a bbing lifestyle would accelerate ageing in numerous ways. Anabolic pathways seem to accelerate it (like insulin/IGF-1, mTOR, etc) while those associated with atrophy of muscle and oxidative phenotypes (endurance exercise) slow ageing in animal models. This includes the FOXO, sirtuins, PGC-1alpha (master regulator of mitochondria biogenesis) etc pathways (which are all linked in various ways).

Resveratrol, caloric restriction, and (endurance) exercise all use the latter pathway and extend lifespan pretty significantly in lower animal models, as well as preventing many ageing related diseases like cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, alzheimers, etc

Off hand I know creatine increases plasma IGF-1, as well as TRPV1 ligands (capsaicin, raspberry ketones, etc). Any AAS would obviously do this as well.

Course free IGF-1 to bound IGF ratios are also significantly effected by diet and fat ratio

The question that need to be answered is to what relevance is all of this to humans. I am betting bodybuilders on average have significantly lower lifespans.

Compared to what? An endurance athlete? Interesting post though.

[LBVT]

Anyone dig breast milk? I wish I could find a milf that is currently lactating and just sip from her nipple after giving it to her doggy.

That's everyone's dream, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by TheeBC

What is ENOVA?

Great stuff for healthy fats.

Enova® Oil