Trans/Dinoiii style pre-workout nutrition Q

[muad33b]

So I see Trans has what I've thought of as Dinoiii style pre-workout nutrition reference:

Originally Posted by transXisomer

2-hours pre-workout: Proper GI transit time, Counter-regulatory hormone upregulation time

Workout: Continued outflow counter-regulatory hormones

Post-Workout: Anabolic Supercompensation, insulinomimetic time frame (PRO-anabolic) by the time you set down your last weight...

My question is this (since we've already dispensed with the use of BCAA/EAA's in another thread for the pre-workout time frame when trying to recomp) how much would I "gain" from waking up 2 hours early (and disrupt my sleep, and potentially have a hard time getting back to sleep... since I'm a deep sleeper, but have a hard time "getting" to sleep) and having a shake-type meal? I understand that IF I'm going to eat it should be 2 hours earlier, but is there a major problem with not eating since the night before (usually a nice big sirloin steak [~8-10oz these days] 2 hours before bed)

Presently I wake up at 6am, down about 50 pills of supps, and then get my but to the gym by around 6:45...

[snakemw]

when i work out in the morning i get up 2 hours before and have a shake and go back to bed. Dinoiii does this as well except he doesnt always go back to sleep.

[muad33b]

Right, I guess my question is, why?

i.e., what does this "buy" you? Since I'll have a hard time getting back to sleep...

Curious if carbs are involved, although I would suppose that depends on if he's doing a B.O./recomp type thing or not?

Also curious if this is shake or "whole meal"...

[snakemw]

I drink a shake with olive oil in so i dont have to work out on an empty stomach.

[Voodoo]

While I see Dinoiiis logic on not eating before hand, If I go 2 hours without eating Im in starvation mode again and I start getting sleepy. Yay field mouse metabolisms. I wake. Drink a shake or some kind of preworkout drink (cause they contain caffine, and hey, why not get some vitamins and stuff at the same time) then I cook a couple pieces of toast and slather em in peanut butter. 30 minutes later Im dressed for the gym.
When I get home I eat everything in sight.

[muad33b]

uggghh... toast... I'm having a mild carb fantasy induced rapture now....

(been no/low carb all week... just some malto in my PWO, and some veggies today)

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by muad33b

So I see Trans has what I've thought of as Dinoiii style pre-workout nutrition reference

That's actually a quote from some debate trans and I had some time ago...that was the three-line summary I was giving him hell for last night on here. :wink:

My question is this (since we've already dispensed with the use of BCAA/EAA's in another thread for the pre-workout time frame when trying to recomp) how much would I "gain" from waking up 2 hours early (and disrupt my sleep, and potentially have a hard time getting back to sleep... since I'm a deep sleeper, but have a hard time "getting" to sleep) and having a shake-type meal?

In the short-term likely little, but I'd like to postulate how much of a cummulative difference this would potentially incite. Continually waking up over the course of many days...months to years, even...you hypothetically run risk of tipping the scales far too often into catabolic favor.

While you could easily suggest that fine - you say that fat loss is a catabolic process, therefore I am in business right? And the answer is yes and no....we are working with something that dons the connotation of controlled catabolism. You will be much more successful at being the person in charge of when these catabolic periods take place.

When weighed out against sleep; this is likely going to be one of personal preference. I would hate to see you change something that is essentially you if in effect, your long-term decisions were to not compete, etc...

In the same breathe, I can also tell you that despite my 5:30am gym time, I get up at 3:30am to down my first meal. I will NOT workout on an empty stomach myself. Some may say...doesn't this hinder fat loss? Again, I will reiterate that the entire weight-training/diet game should be a cummulative process. That said, I maintain about a 6-weeks out physique year round these days (that was at least the estimate my partner and I came up with in Vegas June 9-13).

I understand that IF I'm going to eat it should be 2 hours earlier, but is there a major problem with not eating since the night before (usually a nice big sirloin steak [~8-10oz these days] 2 hours before bed)

Interesting choice of a nighttime snack. HA! Hey, if this works for you - I would NEVER recommend attempting to "fix" something that ain't broken. If your physique is leaving you with a less-than-desired outcome, try a different means on for a few weeks and just see where it lands you.

Presently I wake up at 6am, down about 50 pills of supps, and then get my but to the gym by around 6:45...

I guess in micromanagement fashion, I would say the most important thing is that you continue to find time getting your glutes to the gym. That said, let's say you time it where you wake up at a progressively earlier time until it finally equals up to 2 hours pre; next you add in a protein shake for starters and see how you handle it...give it about 3 or 4 weeks and see what it does for your physique. In prudent fashion, you could move on from there.



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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

While I see Dinoiiis logic on not eating before hand, If I go 2 hours without eating Im in starvation mode again and I start getting sleepy. Yay field mouse metabolisms. I wake. Drink a shake or some kind of preworkout drink (cause they contain caffine, and hey, why not get some vitamins and stuff at the same time) then I cook a couple pieces of toast and slather em in peanut butter. 30 minutes later Im dressed for the gym.
When I get home I eat everything in sight.

There is a LOT to be said about food selection as well during the pre-workout era. Toast and Peanut Butter, for instance, has an increased potential to drive out a rebound hypOglycemic episode coupled with blood sugars already dropping through the course of the workout. Think about it. We'll likely discuss this more at some point, but I don't want to spoil the article I am penning with trans.

Sometimes, the Chinese Fortune Cookie response prevails: Patience is a Virtue!


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[muad33b]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

There is a LOT to be said about food selection as well during the pre-workout era. Toast and Peanut Butter, for instance, has an increased potential to drive out a rebound hypOglycemic episode coupled with blood sugars already dropping through the course of the workout. Think about it. We'll likely discuss this more at some point, but I don't want to spoil the article I am penning with trans.

Sometimes, the Chinese Fortune Cookie response prevails: Patience is a Virtue!

Yea, you said that about the Cortisol article, part 2, which I'm still waiting for.... ()


So, I'm gonna take a stab at this for the record... besides something that's tugging at the back of my brain regarding peanuts in particular, I know you would say that since the food is still being digested you'd have some blood flow going to that operation, but I think the main point of what you are getting at is that the carbs from the toast and the protien from the peanuts would cause an insulin spike and rebound, causing hunger in the middle of the workout... although I guess my question would be wouldn't the oils in the peanut better (if it was "natural" peanut butter) potentially blunt the spike if the toast were, say whole wheat, and the peanut butter to bread ratio was roughly equal calorie-wise?

(I can wait for the article on the answer... just trying to see if my thought process runs true)