Dieting guidelines for fat-loss

[B-natural]

PWO, fat intake is minimal, the body is trying to absorb the carbs and protein, with fat in the mix, it can slow down digestion and you can also bank on the fat mainly being stored as fat. Don't worry about the 2-3g's in the whey you may have, but don't toss peanut butter or other fats in the mix

[snakemw]

a couple that i go by that havent been thrown is:

dont eat Carbs,fats, and protein in the same meal. either eat Carbs-Pro or Fat-pro meals.

I always eat my protein first then veggies and carbs last. you dont normally eat as many carbs this way due to the fact you are already getting full.

do the same with fats too. eat protein first then your fats. sometimes it is harder to do this as many of your protein sources will have fat in them.

[janedoe]

Whoops! Getting confused now! B - I thought the 30g CHO/30g protein guideline was for ALL meals, besides pre/post workout. What meals should the 30/30 guideline be used?

So snake, would it be correct to say that your guidelines might look like this:
8) Dont eat carbs, fats, and protein in the same meal. Either eat heavy carbs or heavy fats
9) Always eat your protein first

Sorry to be asking so many questions about this. Thanks!

[snakemw]

Originally Posted by janedoe

Whoops! Getting confused now! B - I thought the 30g CHO/30g protein guideline was for ALL meals, besides pre/post workout. What meals should the 30/30 guideline be used?

So snake, would it be correct to say that your guidelines might look like this:
8) Dont eat carbs, fats, and protein in the same meal. Either eat heavy carbs or heavy fats
9) Always eat your protein first

Sorry to be asking so many questions about this. Thanks!

you got it.

[B-natural]

Originally Posted by janedoe

Whoops! Getting confused now! B - I thought the 30g CHO/30g protein guideline was for ALL meals, besides pre/post workout. What meals should the 30/30 guideline be used?

So snake, would it be correct to say that your guidelines might look like this:
8) Dont eat carbs, fats, and protein in the same meal. Either eat heavy carbs or heavy fats
9) Always eat your protein first

Sorry to be asking so many questions about this. Thanks!

Never HEAVY carbs, light fibrous low GI carbs, unless PWO, and fats are moderate unless on CKD, then they are a bit higher

And I believe the 50/50 that RA was saying and the 30/30 that I chimed in with where dealing with PWO %'s of macronutrients (i.e. protein,carbs,fats)

[snakemw]

yeah b-nat is right on the heavy part. i dont mean eat heavy carbs just protein and carbs only, or protein and fat only. the carbs definetly need to be low GI except for post workout.

[janedoe]

Great -- thanks for the correction! So here are they guidelines:

1) Don't eat too much protein with a high carb meal (No more than 30 g carbs/50 protein per meal for someone my height/weight)
2) Don't eat high GI carbs outside of PWO and early AM
3) 2 hours preworkout, no carbs/no fats
4) PWO, have whey and high GI carb and NO FATS
5) 1 hour PWO (or earlier), solid meal with high protien/mod carbs/little to no fat
6) Try not to eat carbs in the evening
7) Have casein protein before bed
8) Never eat a heavy carb laden-meal (exceptions above)
9) Fats are moderate in all meals (but don't have any per/post workout)
10) Dont eat carbs, fats, and protein in the same meal. Either eat heavy carbs or heavy fats
11) Always eat your protein first

But wait? Never a carb-heavy meal when being strict with diet (for fat loss)? So just a heavy-fat meal is permissible?

I think I might stay on a CKD forever. It seems easier. LOL.

[B-natural]

Not sure if you would "need" casein protein, its a waste IMO, just stick with whey, its superior to most forms and is still cost effective, if you want the "slow" absorption from the casein, mix the whey with some EVOO.

#10 sounds somewhat off, basically, don't eat a burrito, high in everything including sodium.

and yes, stay away from heavy carb meals, unless incorporating a keto diet, in that case follow the laid out keto guidelines.

[snakemw]

This is the reason i do #10. as little CHO's and fats together as possible.

There are reasons we eat Protein and Fat together and protein and carbs. Insulin. Eating fat and carbs are a death warrant to bb'ers when consumed together and lays adipose tissue down as easily as Home Depot lays down cheap carpet.

From the DC diet article i posted in the diet section.

[muad33b]

My comments:

1) Don't eat too much protein with a high carb meal (No more than 30 g carbs/50 protein per meal for someone my height/weight)

The idea here is to not spike insulin... if you're going on a CKD to cut, then this doesn't apply, since there's no carbs. If your not on a CKD, but cutting, except for pre/post workout, if your eating low GI/GL (Glycemic Index/Glycemic Load [which can be more important then the index]) foods (brown rice, whole wheat, oatmeal, fibrous veggies, etc) you aren't really gonna "gorge" on these, and if your in a maintenance or "bulking" phase, your less concerned about this I think...

2) Don't eat high GI carbs outside of PWO and early AM
I pretty much follow this, but if I'm not "cutting" I don't get too hung up on it... I'm not trying to compete (B-nat may feel differently here)... so I'll cheat a bit here and there (in moderation)

3) 2 hours preworkout, no carbs/no fats
Well, I would say that I agree if on a cut, but if on a bulk, you might want to add in some slow release carbs here (so you'll have energy for your workout)... the reason for the now fats is that good fats are typically anti-inflamatory and during a workout you WANT to be inflamed.

D_ says the pre-workout meal should be 2 hours prior, me, I work out in the AM, and it just doesn't work for me, so mine is 1 hour prior, protein only shake...

4) PWO, have whey and high GI carb and NO FATS
Yea, I actually do one shake immediately after, and another 30-60 minutes after (50/50 whey/carb)...

5) 1 hour PWO (or earlier), solid meal with high protien/mod carbs/little to no fat
And so my solid meal is 2 hours post...

6) Try not to eat carbs in the evening
The ideal is to taper your carbs, with the biggest amount being earlier in the day, and then less at each meal, not eating any after a set time/3rd meal... somewhere between 3-6pm...

7) Have casein protein before bed
This is nice, but interferes with ZMA (unless you're going with CMZ / chelated minerals) - for me it's too much loot to buy casein... I used to eat a half a tub of cottage cheese, but now I just eat 3/4 to 1 pound of steak before bed.

8) Never eat a heavy carb laden-meal (exceptions above)
Yea, in general, the goal is to get lots o protein in... carbs are less of a concern... depending your diet... but if the vast majority of your carbs are of the low GI/GL type, you won't be eating "a ton" of brown rice, fo sho...

9) Fats are moderate in all meals (but don't have any per/post workout)
Yea, and should be of the good kind... i.e. not fatty cuts of meat, or from deep fried foods, etc... I try to go with lean meat, my fish oils, and ancillary amounts in things like milk, turkey, etc...

10) Dont eat carbs, fats, and protein in the same meal. Either eat heavy carbs or heavy fats

eh, I mean, that's impossible... and unless your eating copious amounts of fats every day... or on a strict diet, this isn't a big issue to me... I eat in a 50/30/20 ratio on a bulk.. and most of that 20 is ancillary (i.e. found in foods, since nothing is usually fat free) -- and heavy carbs or fats is not usually a good idea (unless your on a SKD/TKD/CKD, and then there's lots of fats period)

11) Always eat your protein f