Hello Dr. Houser, I spoke with you on AX

[temper35]

It is a pleasure to be on this forum, so much new info on PCT and other things that I have never seen such in depth conversation on. It is great.

I previously did the stack of Mass FX/Hyperdrol X2 and I did a 3 week Epi pulse. I noticed great strength gains, but I was eating such a high amount of calories I cannot estimate lean mass gain, as most try to do.

I am pondering compounds under the guidance of "thesinner" who is helping me understand chemistry so I can try to discern the actual compounds from another. I have narrowed it down to a few, such as M1,4ADD(kind of backing out of this with the recent testing problems coming up DHEA), Epistane(preferrably Humaguno), Oxyguno, or H-Drol. Below are my stats:

23 years old, 5'7'', 207lbs, 12-14% bodyfat

I was set on using a PH with the compound in Epistane, but your mention of the 5-alpha reductase and bodyfat levels impacting the displacement of the gains from the cycle has worried me. I am not obese, but I am around 12-14% since I normally try to eat eat eat come September, and begin tapering off around March.

Also, I am open to any suggestions that you may have. My preference would be to do a methyl + a non methylated compound. Some of my ideas/choices were:
Epistane + Bold 200
M1,4ADD(or something "Wet") + Propadrol
Oxyguno + Furaguno. I am looking for pure mass since it is the winter basically.

I value your opinion and any advice on the Epistane gain distribution issue or any other suggestions for me would be greatly valued. I thank you for your time!

note: I posted this here because with whatever I choose to do, I am going to bounce my PCT idea off you too Once again, thanks!

[RisingAgainst]

welcome to LB guy, it's definitely different eh?

My vote goes torwards Epi/Bold, should be an amazing run. There's a lack of synergy with propadrol/m14add, and I don't trust SFR worth a damn.

[temper35]

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

welcome to LB guy, it's definitely different eh?

My vote goes torwards Epi/Bold, should be an amazing run. There's a lack of synergy with propadrol/m14add, and I don't trust SFR worth a damn.

Thank you. I wanted to do wet/dry combo if possible. I don't know much about SFR but they appear to have a decent rep so far, I don't know much about them. If I do Epi though I will do Epidrol since it has been tested for purity.

[RisingAgainst]

Originally Posted by temper35

Thank you. I wanted to do wet/dry combo if possible. I don't know much about SFR but they appear to have a decent rep so far, I don't know much about them. If I do Epi though I will do Epidrol since it has been tested for purity.

Epi/Bold was a favorite amongst myself and D some time ago I think... nobody took a liking to it except us? hmm... Anyways, Epistane/Methyl E are my epithio clone choices.

[egodog48]

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

Epi/Bold was a favorite amongst myself and D some time ago I think... nobody took a liking to it except us? hmm... Anyways, Epistane/Methyl E are my epithio clone choices.

that would be a good one. Ill have to try that next time. Only MEGAdosed

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by temper35

I previously did the stack of Mass FX/Hyperdrol X2 and I did a 3 week Epi pulse. I noticed great strength gains, but I was eating such a high amount of calories I cannot estimate lean mass gain, as most try to do.

Good to see you don't fall victim to the "all of it was lean mass, I tell ya" abomination that circles the industry where over half of the compounds don't meet label claims consistently (as many are finally figuring out the hard way).

...Epistane(preferrably Humaguno), Oxyguno, or H-Drol. Below are my stats:

23 years old, 5'7'', 207lbs, 12-14% bodyfat

I was set on using a PH with the compound in Epistane, but your mention of the 5-alpha reductase and bodyfat levels impacting the displacement of the gains from the cycle has worried me. I am not obese, but I am around 12-14% since I normally try to eat eat eat come September, and begin tapering off around March.

Well, I wouldn't encourage the "eat, eat, eat" nonsensical mantra which is the "I am an idiot" approach given by self-professed internet gurus based on anabolic cycles many are NOT following. Completely asinine actually - I shit ya not!

You can certainly see an increase in insulin sensitivity with many compounds which may be problematic if you hold a lot of fat. Some compounds are inherently lipophilic ("lipo" = fat /// "philic" = loving) as well. In any event, I think what you are referencing still is the "volume of distribution" suggestions that I offer, which is just my pharmacologically-inclined way of saying..."if you are compensating for a bigger body mass (i.e. - are fatter), you will need more of the compound to exert any level of efficacy."

Also, I am open to any suggestions that you may have. My preference would be to do a methyl + a non methylated compound. Some of my ideas/choices were:
Epistane + Bold 200
M1,4ADD(or something "Wet") + Propadrol
Oxyguno + Furaguno. I am looking for pure mass since it is the winter basically.

Hmmm, interesting in that many of the compounds you have listed are inherently dry.

BOLD is your obvious non-methyl. Stacking it with Epi may have benefit though both are class I androgens; the only difference is the Epi is 5-alpha reduced (more of a DHT analog; but this is a pretty watered-down description still).

I am going to offer something slightly unique for many reasons because the classically-defined "wet" alternatives are few and far between these days.

Dry/Class I: BOLD
Wet/Class II: Phera clone

* While I cannot offer up dosing suggestions for many reasons, I will say that people of your size would typically find benefit at 800-1200mg of BOLD and Phera and clones 10-40mg. Understand that you may have to combat certain side effect appearance with higher-end dosing, but a few preventative strategies could certainly do the trick.

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

My vote goes torwards Epi/Bold, should be an amazing run. There's a lack of synergy with propadrol/m14add, and I don't trust SFR worth a damn.

While Epi/BOLD may be a great combo, I don't believe this caters to the desired goals of the OP.

Originally Posted by temper35

Thank you. I wanted to do wet/dry combo if possible. I don't know much about SFR but they appear to have a decent rep so far, I don't know much about them. If I do Epi though I will do Epidrol since it has been tested for purity.

Do NOT believe "tested for purity" if this has NOT come from independent lab assays.


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[temper35]

I was under the impression, and I think the vast majority of people are, that Bold is "Wet". I guess this is not the case?

My problem with a Phera clone is I am unfamiliar with the sides. I assume that there is some degree of toxicity, and I read that gyno is a possibility? I assume that dosing like you have recommended which allows two ph doses, and two liver support doses following them 4 hours later would combat this? One thing that I did not want to explore was an extremely strong product like Super clones because of the potentially horrific sides that are possible. Would I be going down this path with phera?

Also, I would guess that I'd be doing both compounds for 4 weeks only. I have heard that Bold really takes a while to get going. Would this negate it as the best non methyl choice?

[RisingAgainst]

Originally Posted by temper35

I was under the impression, and I think the vast majority of people are, that Bold is "Wet". I guess this is not the case?

My problem with a Phera clone is I am unfamiliar with the sides. I assume that there is some degree of toxicity, and I read that gyno is a possibility? I assume that dosing like you have recommended which allows two ph doses, and two liver support doses following them 4 hours later would combat this? One thing that I did not want to explore was an extremely strong product like Super clones because of the potentially horrific sides that are possible. Would I be going down this path with phera?

Also, I would guess that I'd be doing both compounds for 4 weeks only. I have heard that Bold really takes a while to get going. Would this negate it as the best non methyl choice?

BOLD is not wet, nor is it dry, it's, in my eyes anyways, the middle ground.

Toxicity and gyno is actually a concern for ALL compounds, even non methyls.. everything does SOMETHING so to speak. If I were you, I'd run Phera/Prop... ideal wet/dry combo with great gains, the anti-e in prop somewhat negates the estro related sides from phera as well.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by temper35

I was under the impression, and I think the vast majority of people are, that Bold is "Wet". I guess this is not the case?

Ya know, if you were to inject Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), I would caution against it being "middle ground" as RA suggests. Still, estrogenic conversion is EXTEMELY LIMITED and based on HOW it has to be dosed to maintain adequate serum levels makes its "wet" capabilities even less with the oral pro-drug (1,4 AD).

See, the "undecylenate" part of the injectible is actually what extends its half-life (of which you do NOT get with oral BOLD). This said...let's say you were dosing 1200mg ... you'd likely see best benefits with 3 doses of 400mg rather than one dose of 1200 to keep serum concentrations even remotely comparable. Thinking about that 400mg dose...its propensity to offer major concerns stand-alone is minimal.

My problem with a Phera clone is I am unfamiliar with the sides. I assume that there is some degree of toxicity, and I read that gyno is a possibility?

I have to concur with RA when he says that sides "can" be expected with ANY PH/PS/DeS/AAS, however, you can modulate these sides if prepared appropriately beforehand.

I assume that dosing like you have recommended which allows two ph doses, and two liver support doses following them 4 hours later would combat this?

One could suggest the following to be of academic proportion:

Dose 1: 1st thing in AM (2 BOLD, 1 Phera), say 6am

Meal in between with SAMe preceeding it, say 10am

Dose 2: Around midday (2 BOLD), say 2 pm