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zootreeves · 12-10-2007, 11:17 AM

Dinoiii,

I've run into some VPX Sports 4 HT Cypionate (I didn't choose it, but i'm stuck with it now). I think it was manufactured late 2004.

I've read that most PH's have a shelf life of about 2 years, but since this is esterified does that increase the shelf life? If it increases the half life in blood, does it increase it the shelf life is what i'm trying to get at? Or should i just send it back?

Any help appreciated

**dinoiii** · 12-10-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zootreeves

I've read that most PH's have a shelf life of about 2 years, but since this is esterified does that increase the shelf life?

Tough to say actually - much depends on storage specificity over the years you have had it. The products were decent though the particular one in your possession was taken in ways "other than oral" and hence its packaging. I can't recommend to take it since it is technically now illegal, but I would probably settle on the efficacy being potentially degraded a tad.

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If it increases the half life in blood, does it increase it the shelf life is what i'm trying to get at? Or should i just send it back?

Well, as I said above, if anything, its efficacy may be down a bit - but this is VERY specific to how it has been stored over the course of the last couple of years. Cool, dark place would dictate better staying ability whereas light and/or not being temperature-controlled may have a different outcome. Some put them in the freezer in an attempt to increase shelf-life though the potential for condensation inside could potentially have been detrimental if even the slightest hint of the container not being air-tight. That said...again we are talking about an order of efficacy. Say its not as potent, I am uncertain this qualifies it as junk.

I also would be hard-pressed to believe anyone would give you a refund on the product though seeing most places prior to the 2004 ban said that "ALL SALES WERE FINAL on PH PRODUCTS."

D_

zootreeves · 11:50 AM

Thanks for the quick reply.

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Cool, dark place would dictate better staying ability whereas light and/or not being temperature-controlled may have a different outcome

I know the product was stored in a cool/dry/dark space for the last 6 months, but i don't know where it was stored before that. All the packaging is still perfect. I guess there's really only one way to tell if it's still good, and yes i wasn't planning on taking it orally.

I was planning on running it with Test E for the AI effect

Thanks again for the advice