h-drol solo pct?

[smackshosh]

I'm in the middle of my first ph/ps cycle and im runing CEL h-drol solo and taking AI cycle support during the cycle. For PCT i picked up 6-oxo, but now after reading more stuff I'm wondering if that is enough. What do you recommend and if 6-oxo is enough what dosages/length should i take it for? I was thinking running 600 mgs/day for 1 week and then 300mgs/day for next 3 weeks?

I know many recommend inhibit e and reduce xt but it was out of stock. Any ideas?

I also have some massfx and retain2 on hand.

Thanks again in advance for your help!

[Sampson]

What dosage are you running the hdrol and for how long?

[smackshosh]

some more stats:
28 yrs, 175 lbs, 5'11", good health history, first ph/ps cycle
running hdrol 30 days 50/50/75/75

one more thing: would you recommend running the cycle for 6 weeks instead of 4? i know hdrol doesnt kick in until week 3, so i was thinking about extending the cycle a bit but there seem to me some mixed opinions on this regarding effect on liver. if i do run it for 6 weeks should i do 50 all the way or 50/50/75/75/75/75?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by smackshosh

I'm in the middle of my first ph/ps cycle and im runing CEL h-drol solo and taking AI cycle support during the cycle. For PCT i picked up 6-oxo, but now after reading more stuff I'm wondering if that is enough. What do you recommend and if 6-oxo is enough what dosages/length should i take it for? I was thinking running 600 mgs/day for 1 week and then 300mgs/day for next 3 weeks?

I know many recommend inhibit e and reduce xt but it was out of stock. Any ideas?

I also have some massfx and retain2 on hand.

Thanks again in advance for your help!

If you run this product at 4-weeks duration, 6-oxo will likely be ok for estrogen control.

I don't think you need to get more exotic than that - again, provided the CEL product you speak of isn't harboring any contaminants - which, unfortunately, I cannot help you on. I would actually run the 6-oxo in the opposite direction because it is an AI BUT likely stagger a couple days at 300mg before going into about 600 for your 4th or 5th day, but completely settling on dosing will have to be your own decision (just keep in mind that if you get any level of appreciable "shutdown" in this cycle, there will be no test to convert via aromatase at the opening realm of PCT).

Mass Fx is fine to run; but would probably add SAMe (600/600/400/400) - and a generic Vitamin Shoppe brand is fine...SAMe has some mild estrogen-inhibiting properties as well.

You could possibly add I3C at 400mg throughout, but I am unsure it will matter for the cycle you have listed. You likely don't need to make this the million-dollar cycle either.

Originally Posted by smackshosh

some more stats:
28 yrs, 175 lbs, 5'11", good health history, first ph/ps cycle
running hdrol 30 days 50/50/75/75

one more thing: would you recommend running the cycle for 6 weeks instead of 4? i know hdrol doesnt kick in until week 3, so i was thinking about extending the cycle a bit but there seem to me some mixed opinions on this regarding effect on liver. if i do run it for 6 weeks should i do 50 all the way or 50/50/75/75/75/75?

"kick in" is relative; it is your first cycle, so don't get "greedy" (for lack of better phrasing). I am not so heated about the liver per se, as transaminase elevations tend to be self-limited (in other words, they will likely return to normal with cessation of the cycle), BUT this being your first cycle is a wild and crazy trial and error with what you could potentiall expect. If at some later point you wanted to run longer, then being more prudent (or at least as prudent as you can be) might see you re-evaluating at that time.

I don't suppose you are running lab work?




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[smackshosh]

havent ran any blood tests yet, but i am planning here in about 1 week. ill post the results.
one more question and im done. should i start my pct the day after im done with my cycle or should i start a few days early?
thanks again for all the input!

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by smackshosh

havent ran any blood tests yet, but i am planning here in about 1 week. ill post the results.

I'll look for them.

one more question and im done. should i start my pct the day after im done with my cycle or should i start a few days early?
thanks again for all the input!

You can begin them the day after you are done with the hormonal modifiers (like 6-oxo, I3C, and/or Mass Fx).

Some do report libido benefits running a test-booster (i.e. - Mass Fx) while on cycle, but this is completely up to you.

SAMe can begin whenever you choose, but if you do choose to run while on cycle still, separate dosing from the H-Drol by 4-hours. In other words, wait 4 hours before you take your SAMe after your H-Drol doses.



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[smackshosh]

thanks doc

[smackshosh]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

I don't think you need to get more exotic than that - again, provided the CEL product you speak of isn't harboring any contaminants - which, unfortunately, I cannot help you on. I would actually run the 6-oxo in the opposite direction because it is an AI BUT likely stagger a couple days at 300mg before going into about 600 for your 4th or 5th day, but completely settling on dosing will have to be your own decision (just keep in mind that if you get any level of appreciable "shutdown" in this cycle, there will be no test to convert via aromatase at the opening realm of PCT).

What do you recommend I do if i do experience shutdown? I am a little paranoid about it, I'm constantly checking. What would be the biggest indication of shutdown and what should I do for it on cycle or on PCT? Just use a test booster?

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by smackshosh

What do you recommend I do if i do experience shutdown? I am a little paranoid about it, I'm constantly checking. What would be the biggest indication of shutdown and what should I do for it on cycle or on PCT? Just use a test booster?

Ok, first...I obviously cannot guarantee you will or won't experience shut down, HOWEVER, if it does in effect happen - your lack of test when you begin your PCT will NOT offer true requirement for an aromatase inhibitor.

Again, I will try and offer up a more pictoral version of what is being implied:


Normal:
Test --aromatase--> Estrogen

PCT:
Start: Dec Test --aromatase--> Estrogen (so less conversion because you have less test to begin with IF shutdown happens)
After a few days: Inc Test --aromatase--> Estrogen (greater conversion ... will likely approximate normal scenario soon and an AI will be of more use)


Will a test-booster completely avert test suppression? Not likely.

Best solution? Cessation of the cycle.

Chances it will happen on a basic H-Drol mono-cycle? Not high dosed the way you suggested, though shutdown happens as early as day 2 of some cycles (unfortunately, little is known about the pharmacokinetics/dynamics of this product to date).

Keep in mind that this is NOT the original Gaspari product with particular contaminants (though CEL hasn't really posted the best track record I suppose either).



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[smackshosh]

alright thanks doc. hope for the better!