D your thoughts on a superdrol side I've experienced

[awmcdon]

I started a superdrol cycle recently, the orginal stuff.
I took 10mg, within four hours I had a mild headache. When I laid down that night to go to bed I could feel my pulse in my head.
The next day I woke up and took another 10mg. Within four hours another headache.
This time I decided to take my blood pressure. It was 152/101.
My blood pressure generally runs a little high, around 135/85 but nothing like this.
Needless to say that was my last day on superdrol. It took an additional two days for my blood pressure to return to normal.

My question, is this even possible?
Could the superdrol have effected me this quickly? Could it have been something else?

[quigs]

Originally Posted by awmcdon

I started a superdrol cycle recently, the orginal stuff.
I took 10mg, within four hours I had a mild headache. When I laid down that night to go to bed I could feel my pulse in my head.
The next day I woke up and took another 10mg. Within four hours another headache.
This time I decided to take my blood pressure. It was 152/101.
My blood pressure generally runs a little high, around 135/85 but nothing like this.
Needless to say that was my last day on superdrol. It took an additional two days for my blood pressure to return to normal.

My question, is this even possible?
Could the superdrol have effected me this quickly? Could it have been something else?

Yes, it was most likely the SD.

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by awmcdon

I started a superdrol cycle recently, the orginal stuff.
I took 10mg, within four hours I had a mild headache. When I laid down that night to go to bed I could feel my pulse in my head.
The next day I woke up and took another 10mg. Within four hours another headache.
This time I decided to take my blood pressure. It was 152/101.
My blood pressure generally runs a little high, around 135/85 but nothing like this.
Needless to say that was my last day on superdrol. It took an additional two days for my blood pressure to return to normal.

My question, is this even possible?
Could the superdrol have effected me this quickly? Could it have been something else?

Its def. blood pressure. I have the same problem which is why i live on hawthorne berry. As a general rule when your blood pressure jumps 20 points resting, youre going to see headaches and pulsing throbbing in your skull.

[awmcdon]

I guess I just didn't realize that it would have that effect after the very first dose.

[dinoiii]

Your blood pressure seems to remain in the borderline high range; a range typically considered contraindicated for "successfully prudent" PH/PS/DeS/AAS use. I could echo all that has been said, but instead will turn to monitoring your blood pressure as it is already high. That said, addressing why your blood pressure may already be high may be a better step from someone in your situation.

Modifiable risk factors: smoking/alcohol, overweight, sedentary lifestyle, high sodium:potassium ratio, etc...

Unmodifiable: genetics (heredity), race, etc...


That said, if your choice is to employ something like Hawthorn, it will take a certain number of weeks to gain any level of efficacy.

So, it would be my personal estimate to have you immediately cease the cycle and potentially try something others in your situation have had success with for two weeks before considering the potential of trying this again.

Dr. Houser's Top 10 Supplement Strategies to employ for Blood Pressure lowering:

Hawthorn is fine according to dosing I offered in the "Articles" subsection of my subforum, but these would be good additions to consider...

[1] CoQ10: 100mg
[2] Fish Oil: DHA > EPA at about 2-4 grams...DHA in particular is sold separately now and has more pertinence to blood pressure
[3] Potassium: 2,400mg (though you will need a prescription if trying to attain something over 99mg by law)
[4] Magnesium: 350-500mg per day (start low and go slow as higher end dosing may precipitate diarrhea)
[5] Calcium: 800-1500mg per day (adjust accordingly with magnesium)
[6] Vitamin D3: 800IU or HIGHER
[7] Vitamin C: 500mg with every meal
[8] Vitamin E: 400IU (mixed tocopherols/tocotrienols)
[9] Taurine: 4-10 grams per day (adjusted according to bodyweight; 6 grams is the minimum standard for most body types)
[10] Garlic/Onion: 600-900mg of standardized extracts


D_

[awmcdon]

I"ve never smoked. I don't drink.
I've lifted weights regularly for 15 years.
I'm very fit for my age, which will be 35 in June.
I weigh 210 at 9-12% bodyfat at a height of 6'0". Bodyfat depends on the time of year.
I can pinch an inch seated but not standing.
My son constantly tells me that I am in much better shape than his friends dads.

I can tell you that I have a very small frame. When I started lifting weights at the age of 20 I weighed 160 pounds. So I'm carrying around an extra 50 pounds.
My weight may only be 210 but I'm not a small guy. My arms are 18.5" cold and my chest is 48"
I don't know if the extra weight would cause an increase in the systole.

I read on a bodybuilding site somwwhere(don't know if it's true) that people who have lifted weights for a long time sometimes have a high systole and that this is normal. They went on to say that it's the diastole you want to watch out for.

I can also tell you that I'm very high strung. My wife can't stand it.

I saw a doctor about 4 years ago and he told me my blood pressure was a little high.
He put me on altace and then toprol xl, neither had much effect at all on my blood pressure.
It seemed to lower my pulse rate, but didn't efect my blood pressure much.
He sent me to a cardiologist who took chest x rays, ultrasound, stress test, and I think he had me do some kind of exercise. I don't remember it well. He told me that anything under 100 beat a minute is normal for a man my age.
That's another piece of the puzzle my pulse is generally around 95 during the morning and afternoon and then slows down to 75-80 in the evening.
I have no plans on continuing anything that elavates my blood pressure. I care more about my health than that. I lift weights now to stay young and that's it. I've been thankful enough to add a decent amount of mass with that mentality. But I have no desire to be much bigger than I am now.

[LLLLern]

Originally Posted by awmcdon

I"ve never smoked. I don't drink.
I've lifted weights regularly for 15 years.
I'm very fit for my age, which will be 35 in June.
I weigh 210 at 9-12% bodyfat at a height of 6'0". Bodyfat depends on the time of year.
I can pinch an inch seated but not standing.
My son constantly tells me that I am in much better shape than his friends dads.

I can tell you that I have a very small frame. When I started lifting weights at the age of 20 I weighed 160 pounds. So I'm carrying around an extra 50 pounds.
My weight may only be 210 but I'm not a small guy. My arms are 18.5" cold and my chest is 48"
I don't know if the extra weight would cause an increase in the systole.

I read on a bodybuilding site somwwhere(don't know if it's true) that people who have lifted weights for a long time sometimes have a high systole and that this is normal. They went on to say that it's the diastole you want to watch out for.

I can also tell you that I'm very high strung. My wife can't stand it.

I saw a doctor about 4 years ago and he told me my blood pressure was a little high.
He put me on altace and then toprol xl, neither had much effect at all on my blood pressure.
It seemed to lower my pulse rate, but didn't efect my blood pressure much.
He sent me to a cardiologist who took chest x rays, ultrasound, stress test, and I think he had me do some kind of exercise. I don't remember it well. He told me that anything under 100 beat a minute is normal for a man my age.
That's another piece of the puzzle my pulse is generally around 95 during the morning and afternoon and then slows down to 75-80 in the evening.
I have no plans on continuing anything that elavates my blood pressure. I care more about my health than that. I lift weights now to stay young and that's it. I've been thankful enough to add a decent amount of mass with that mentality. But I have no desire to be much bigger than I am now.

lol when I was 20 i weiged 140sh lol now I am like 190

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by awmcdon

II don't know if the extra weight would cause an increase in the systole. I read on a bodybuilding site somwwhere(don't know if it's true) that people who have lifted weights for a long time sometimes have a high systole and that this is normal. They went on to say that it's the diastole you want to watch out for.

Actually, your BP should find decreases of increments about 6mmHg in systolic and 3mmHg in diastolic by default with consistent work outs. Mind you, this is average, but the former suggestion of arterial stiffening doesn't seem to account for dietary exchange, et al...

If there is an issue in systolic elevations, I would deem looking for alternative pathology pertinent.

I saw a doctor about 4 years ago and he told me my blood pressure was a little high. He put me on altace and then toprol xl, neither had much effect at all on my blood pressure. It seemed to lower my pulse rate, but didn't efect my blood pressure much.
He sent me to a cardiologist who took chest x rays, ultrasound, stress test, and I think he had me do some kind of exercise. I don't remember it well. He told me that anything under 100 beat a minute is normal for a man my age.
That's another piece of the puzzle my pulse is generally around 95 during the morning and afternoon and then slows down to 75-80 in the evening.

Pulse rate if lowered, could lead to a chronic change in mean arterial pressure as your body's general perfusion of the brain may decrease (not a good thing). But this is perhaps the only thing I could see in explanation. That said, it may be that you have a high mroning BP and lower evening BP. Still, if the only effect of ACE inhibitors and beta-blockers has been to decrease pulse rate, this could actually be further detrimental as opposed to positive.

D_

[awmcdon]

D what do you suggest I do?
I ordered everything on your list and I will begin taking them as soon as I receive them.
Is there any chance this is just normal for me? Or is slightly high blood pressure always bad?
And yes my pulse and blood pressure do seem to go down in the evening.
Morning and afternoon 95 BPM 135/90-85
evening 80 BPM 130/80-75

I would really like to correct this.
I want to live a long healthy life. I just don't know what else I can correct about my lifestyle. I seem to follow all of the recommendations to lower blood pressure, and have for quite some time. I used to eat alot of fast food (once a day(college)) and gave that up about 1 1/2 year ago. Now I eat out about twice a month. Could this have been the culprit and it just hasn't been long enough to correct itself?
I am also very very high strung. I can't watch the news because I find myself getting to worked up, that's how bad it is.
Side note, I eat oatmeal everyday, usually 1-3 1/2cup serving.

I would appreciate any information.

[awmcdon]

Bump for D.