What would you stack with some test gel?

[SuperBig]

I have access to some Testim gel - it is not much, about 2 weeks worth, but I thought maybe I could stack it with something like Propadrol(?) at 90-120 mg ED. I would hate to have the test go to waste. Any thoughts here? I was also thinking I would combine with 400-600mg ED I3C to control potential aromitization. These are probably some dumb questions, so any guidance is greatly appreciated.

[temper35]

Originally Posted by SuperBig

I have access to some Testim gel - it is not much, about 2 weeks worth, but I thought maybe I could stack it with something like Propadrol(?) at 90-120 mg ED. I would hate to have the test go to waste. Any thoughts here? I was also thinking I would combine with 400-600mg ED I3C to control potential aromitization. These are probably some dumb questions, so any guidance is greatly appreciated.

And what did you plan for PCT? I really don't know much about HRT patches/gels, but I would assume even 2 weeks would cause a decent degree of shutdown.

I highly doubt I3C would have any serious control over the aromatization of test gel.

[Right Hook]

The dermals will probably shut you down more then IM administration (because its a steady flow of test never allowing a natural rebound). But stack it with something androgenic imho....such as havoc.

[Right Hook]

Btw, the testim dosage is pretty low if I remember correctly...but would still provide a solid base for an oral only cycle.

[SuperBig]

Originally Posted by Travis

Btw, the testim dosage is pretty low if I remember correctly...but would still provide a solid base for an oral only cycle.

Exactly - it is pretty low, so I was thinking that stacking it with something would be good as it would only aid in reaching supraphysiological test levels, I would think. Plus it is a good clean source of test, so my thinking is that would be somewhat similar to using test cyp or such.
Maybe stacking with one of the Tren compounds?

[Right Hook]

Originally Posted by SuperBig

Exactly - it is pretty low, so I was thinking that stacking it with something would be good as it would only aid in reaching supraphysiological test levels, I would think. Plus it is a good clean source of test, so my thinking is that would be somewhat similar to using test cyp or such.
Maybe stacking with one of the Tren compounds?

Absolutely....although I've never used any of the tren compounds but based on what I have read I believe it would stack well.

[SuperBig]

D_, do you have any thoughts?

[dinoiii]

My thoughts:

All test TD delivery systems are NOT created equal!

In other words, why is it that you have been given these patches? The answer will likely dictate what we would potentially consider an ok adjunct though such a cycle would obviously be cut significantly short and its potential to impart significant body composition change is highly suspect in said time. As you have noted above, these agents are NOT that strong and usually are assigned to get test levels back into physiological levels. Could this get your levels "jump-started" so-to-speak? Sure, I suppose (no data to really support said theories), however this overall subscription may merely make it that much harder to gain control of the HPTA vs. act as a true blessing to any degree...especially if I don't know the pathology used in giving them to you in the first place.


Summary of various transdermal delivery systems for those reading along:

[1] Testoderm: placed on the scrotum; mimic the normal diurnal variation of test fluctuation and you cannot expect supraphysiologic response by any stretch without the use of something else...fortunately or unfortuntely, we almost always see high DHT response as well (and of what clinical significance this has the research world is unsure to date).

[2] Androderm, Testoderm TTS: placed on skin, back/shoulder/abdomen - provides normal test withOUT diurnal variations and withOUT DHT elevations; probably more ideal and due to less localized effects on Leydig cells...but I really am uncertain here

[3] Test Gels (Andro Gel 1%, Testim 1% as in your case): abdomen, shoulders, upper arms placing you back at physiological levels but not above; no real significant DHT elevation here either


D_

[SuperBig]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

My thoughts:

All test TD delivery systems are NOT created equal!

In other words, why is it that you have been given these patches? The answer will likely dictate what we would potentially consider an ok adjunct though such a cycle would obviously be cut significantly short and its potential to impart significant body composition change is highly suspect in said time. As you have noted above, these agents are NOT that strong and usually are assigned to get test levels back into physiological levels.
D_

These were NOT prescribed by a MD. They were obtained from a pharma sales rep (full disclosure doc). So, when I was asked if I wanted them I thought why not, isn't this just the same as test cyp/dec/etc, but only delivered in a much smaller dose and transdermally? From a cycle length standpoint I was thinking that what I have is about good for 2 weeks, so maybe use it at the beginning of an oral stack, and maybe get some benefit from it, but obviously continue on for a longer period of time with another substance.

My main goals are body composition, as always. I want to keep my body fat at or under 12% and continue to increase lean body mass.

D_, your thoughts are appreciated.

[SuperBig]

D_,

Based on my reply to original questions - any more input as to what to combine, or is it just a bad idea any way you slice it?