Formestane...

[usf97j4x4]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

at a high does it can be suppressive

Isn't the jury still out on this one? This is the reason I bridged it into ATD

[Arnoldgenes]

Sprays?? I was considering the pill form actually. From what ive been learning an ATD is no where near the effectiveness of Formestane on a mg to mg basis; ergo a suitable OTC replacement would be Formestane. Do you, or anyone else for that matter, have any experience with the pill form of Formestane in regards to effective dosages while running an AAS cycle? More specifically 12 wks of test with a kick of Dbol at 4wks. (I don't mean to hijack your thread Jud)

[LLLLern]

topical is much better

[usf97j4x4]

Dinoiii can probably shed some light but you need to dose it orally VERY high

[J2jud]

Originally Posted by usf97j4x4

Dinoiii can probably shed some light but you need to dose it orally VERY high

Hopefully somtimes before I grow some facial hair (yeah! it's hard to grow!!)
But yeah, Orally would need to be somewhat of a high does. Im going to look into some topical Formestane for my comp.

The effectiveness I've experienced was 10x better than the libido killer ATD.... and my boys were..... producing much more volume than before.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by J2jud

Formestane (4-hydroxyandrostenedione), is considered a pretty potent steroidal aromatase inhibitor. It's not as potent as Arimidex on a mg per mg level because Arimidex is.. very strong. But why is this AI not used more in PCT? Cost? Formestane (IMO) is a better choice of AI as opposed to ATD, Trione, or 6-bromo. I've also read that Formestane is a very good additive in contest prep to become tighter and harder for competition. Any thoughts to it's effectiveness, Dr.? Fellow members?

I enjoy formestane actually and contrary to popular opinion (I believe Bill shares this view though), Formestane does NOT appear as suppressive as the "experts" tend to make you think. The essential breakdown of Formestane into 4-OHT tends to suggest suppression by theoretic design only, but hasn't translated that way on real lab data.

It is very effective and the part Bill and I tend to agree on is what tends to work ORALLY, I believe (250mg x 4 doses per day for your average bb). Supplements are cropping up with oral doses of 10mg and such - this is completely nonsensical and unfounded. As far as TD, the theoretic application of things like E-Form are certainly fine, however, there are significant shortcomings as basic as what might constitute a "squirt" (ummmm, yeah very scientific dosing parameter to adequately keep estrogen in check, I am certain).

Originally Posted by Arnoldgenes

Hey jud, although I do not know much about Formestane it was recommended to me by Dr. Houser and I will be using it throughout an upcoming cycle as a sub for Adex. My plan is to use it every other day or so just to control estro levels and keep gyno at bay. However I am currently uncertain on the theoretical dosage as I haven't researched it much yet.

Keep us posted, we have used 6-Bromo + Form (orally) recently with awesome continued body composition changes. As far as E-form, the suspension tends to make people feel it is "working" ---> don't confuse what will likely be a diuretic effect with true estrogen control though. Maybe a nice smaller dose of aPCT coupled with E-form if you are going the TD route would be most sufficient.

Originally Posted by LLLLern

at a high does it can be suppressive

But it doesn't translate into labs that way.

Originally Posted by usf97j4x4

I would still use ATD considering your cycle

I found that I had to constantly very the dose with formestane. My guess is that the skin at application sites became overly saturated or somehow I was building a tolerance.

I would start at 5 sprays 2x day and taper down to 5 total sprays, when that lost effectiveness I would bump it to 10 sprays total and down again.

I don't personally care for ATD and feel that supply side dictates why it is cheap - nothing more.

"application sites became saturated" - not likely.

What was the rationale of your downward ramp? A ramp of an AI goes UP in PCT, otherwise low constant doses are fine for peri-cycle.



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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by J2jud

Hopefully somtimes before I grow some facial hair (yeah! it's hard to grow!!)

You don't like me, do you? HA!




Someone grab a razor for Jud!



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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by Arnoldgenes

Sprays?? I was considering the pill form actually. From what ive been learning an ATD is no where near the effectiveness of Formestane on a mg to mg basis; ergo a suitable OTC replacement would be Formestane. Do you, or anyone else for that matter, have any experience with the pill form of Formestane in regards to effective dosages while running an AAS cycle? More specifically 12 wks of test with a kick of Dbol at 4wks. (I don't mean to hijack your thread Jud)

Standard oral dose we have worked with: 250mg x 4 doses per day (avg. 180-220 pound bb).


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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

topical is much better

Based on E-form ads, perhaps.

Otherwise ... better systemic control of aromatase appears to come from oral application.

Admittedly, we have never dosed TD Form 4 times per day though - at least the diuretic effect would give thoughts of "feeling" like its "working" whatever the heck that might mean.



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[J2jud]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

I enjoy formestane actually and contrary to popular opinion (I believe Bill shares this view though), Formestane does NOT appear as suppressive as the "experts" tend to make you think. The essential breakdown of Formestane into 4-OHT tends to suggest suppression by theoretic design only, but hasn't translated that way on real lab data.

It is very effective and the part Bill and I tend to agree on is what tends to work ORALLY, I believe (250mg x 4 doses per day for your average bb). Supplements are cropping up with oral doses of 10mg and such - this is completely nonsensical and unfounded. As far as TD, the theoretic application of things like E-Form are certainly fine, however, there are significant shortcomings as basic as what might constitute a "squirt" (ummmm, yeah very scientific dosing parameter to adequately keep estrogen in check, I am certain).





Keep us posted, we have used 6-Bromo + Form (orally) recently with awesome continued body composition changes. As far as E-form, the suspension tends to make people feel it is "working" ---> don't confuse what will likely be a diuretic effect with true estrogen control though. Maybe a nice smaller dose of aPCT coupled with E-form if you are going the TD route would be most sufficient.





But it doesn't translate into labs that way.





I don't personally care for ATD and feel that supply side dictates why it is cheap - nothing more.

"application sites became saturated" - not likely.

What was the rationale of your downward ramp? A ramp of an AI goes UP in PCT, otherwise low constant doses are fine for peri-cycle.



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Originally Posted by dinoiii

You don't like me, do you? HA!




Someone grab a razor for Jud!



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Hahaha... yeah, I'm pretty babyfaced. When my facial hair grows out it looks like someone placed hairs on my face in a spaced out pattern. Oh well, I'll live with my crappy facial hair genetics. The funny thing is, my best friend had a damn beard in 6th grade!!

Thanks for replying.

I've just done some researching on Formestane, and the more I do, the more I become an advocate for it's use for a mild cycle's PCT or for a little solo cycle. I just wonder why so many companies dont make a really effective dose.... no companies sell the bulk powder anymore either!