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Kernkraft · 07-03-2008, 11:38 AM

I've read through your pct a clinician's view a few times over and I noticed that you mention this in your writing on SAMe towards the end:

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Dinoiii’s tips:
(1) Typically, the stabilizing compounds I mentioned earlier (tosylates, et al) weigh as much as the SAMe molecule itself. Consequently, a tablet containing 200 mg of SAMe disulfate tosylate contains ONLY 100 mg of SAMe. Most, but not all labels are likely to make this clear.
(2) Don’t let companies fool you here – there have been many independent lab testing done on various SAMe brands...if you ever have a question on a brand that matched up to label claims (only less than 50% do!) just let me know.

My question for you therefore is two-fold:

1) the back of the box indeed indicates SAMe 400mg : (S-Adenosyl L-Methionine) (as S-adenosyl-L-methionine tosylate disulfate powder)

So with this brand I would have to take up to 1600mgs of this product to get the dosage you recommend per day in PCT (800mgs) if I'm getting this right? Bit pricey but I'm a huge believer in SAMe for PCT.

2) Does Swanson Ultra live up to label claims? Figured I'd ask.

Thanks,

Kernkraft

BBD · 08-19-2008, 04:05 PM

Dinoiii, is SAMe only recommended in the PCT frame, or also during the cycle for liver support?

I'm considering a winny only cycle (I know that I won't gain insane amounts of muscle, but I've seen enough people make nice gains with it, with little to no shutdown, which makes it attractive to me), so SAMe during the cycle would make things safer for my liver, or is there a reason why liver support is recommended only once the cycle itself is over?

Another questrion now I've mentioned the winny only cycle: a commen side is dry joints, would SAMe on cycle be enough to help/prevent this?

If Same E is recommended on (this) cycle, what amount?

Thanks.

**dinoiii** · 08-20-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kernkraft

I've read through your pct a clinician's view a few times over and I noticed that you mention this in your writing on SAMe towards the end:

My question for you therefore is two-fold:

1) the back of the box indeed indicates SAMe 400mg : (S-Adenosyl L-Methionine) (as S-adenosyl-L-methionine tosylate disulfate powder)

So with this brand I would have to take up to 1600mgs of this product to get the dosage you recommend per day in PCT (800mgs) if I'm getting this right? Bit pricey but I'm a huge believer in SAMe for PCT.

The SAMe will have to be divided in half to yield 200mg of "elemental" SAMe.

For price efficiency and long-term dosing, I actually have revealed the following schematic dosing protocol:

Weeks 1-2: 600mg which would be 3 of these caps
Weeks 3, and on: 400mg which would be only 2 caps

While it is very much "pricey" - I suppose it is dependent upon the pricetag placed upon liver health.

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2) Does Swanson Ultra live up to label claims? Figured I'd ask.

No idea, have never tested this brand.

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Originally Posted by BBD

Dinoiii, is SAMe only recommended in the PCT frame, or also during the cycle for liver support?

If you opt to use it with a concurrent oral C17-alpha-alkylated cycle, the idea I proposed almost 5 years ago now was that you employ maximal separation of the doses:

Usually this would look something like this (but there are other pattern options):

8:00am - PH/PS/AAS Dose #1
12:00pm - SAMe Dose #1
4:00pm - PH/PS/AAS Dose #2
8:00pm - SAMe Dose #2

(Note: look for some new protocol recommendations this fall on medicalmuscle.com - five years has revealed many new things)

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I'm considering a winny only cycle (I know that I won't gain insane amounts of muscle, but I've seen enough people make nice gains with it, with little to no shutdown, which makes it attractive to me), so SAMe during the cycle would make things safer for my liver, or is there a reason why liver support is recommended only once the cycle itself is over?

I am partial to use of a test or trenbolone base to pretty much ALL cycles. As you are apparently under supervision to do winny, I would explore the potential option of low-dose tren ace with your physician/etc...

Winny-alone tends to reap side-effect "reward" - in fact, it even has potentiated the "burn" in people.

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Another question now I've mentioned the winny only cycle: a commen side is dry joints, would SAMe on cycle be enough to help/prevent this?

A very qualified...Perhaps. Not really an estrogen issue with winny though.

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If Same E is recommended on (this) cycle, what amount?

As I have stated in the past, I cannot recommend actual cycles. Translation risks and misquotes for me are far too high and costly as a result.

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