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Ases · 07-18-2008, 08:00 AM

After reading the stickies and the (new) opinions on PCT I've decided to alter my PCT as well.

What I will have on hand: 6 oxo, NOW I3C, Post-cycle support, SAMe, Alcar and probaly some ejaculoid(for it's libido boosting), ZMA

I'm planning on running my first cycle, Epidrol 10/20,20,30,30

New PCT:
Week 1: SAMe 600mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 2: SAMe 600mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 3: SAMe 400mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 4: SAMe 400mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps

I'm having some trouble deciding when i should take 6 oxo and at what dose. In my first pct i was going to start it from week 4 dosing 4/3/2/1

I also have some slight puberal gyno, I don't know if i have to take this into account for my PCT.
Is there anything else i should add or change?

Thanks!

GotTest · 07-18-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ases

After reading the stickies and the (new) opinions on PCT I've decided to alter my PCT as well.

What I will have on hand: 6 oxo, NOW I3C, Post-cycle support, SAMe, Alcar and probaly some ejaculoid(for it's libido boosting), ZMA

I'm planning on running my first cycle, Epidrol 10/20,20,30,30

New PCT:
Week 1: SAMe 600mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 2: SAMe 600mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 3: SAMe 400mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps
Week 4: SAMe 400mg, I3C 400mg, Post-cycle support 4 caps, Alcar 2g, Ejacloid 2 caps

I'm having some trouble deciding when i should take 6 oxo and at what dose. In my first pct i was going to start it from week 4 dosing 4/3/2/1

I also have some slight puberal gyno, I don't know if i have to take this into account for my PCT.
Is there anything else i should add or change?

Thanks!

I know Doc's been away for a while so I'll throw ya my 2cents from some suggestion he's made in the past...

You've definitely been doing some reading. Great job!

Not sure of your weight but you'll get more "bang" out of the Epidrol if you do a 20/30/40/40
You can do 1 cap for the first day then start the 20 on day 2. That way you'll have enough from 1 bottle of 90caps, and you'll be able to see if you tolerate sulfur.

PCT supps look solid!

Here is what I usually do...
SAMe 400/400/200/200 (This stuff is pricey and potent)
I3C 600/600/400/200
Take 3 ZMA at night before bed through the entire PCT.

Since you're hit with gyno (like me

) I would run the 6-oxo.
Doc has recommended running this in week 2 when Test starts to rise. A taper up protocol (300-600mg/day) is usually followed to correlate with the rise in Test.
Others have followed a taper down (from 600 to 300mg/day).
I follow a taper up then back down approach. I've just found I respond better that way with AI's in the past.
PCS and Ejac will definitely get the "juices" flowing and libido should not be a problem.
Good luck and let us know how it works out.

Ases · 07-18-2008, 11:48 AM

Thx for reply, some solid info! My weight is 180 lbs

So would you run the 6-oxo like this:
wk 2: 300mg
wk 3: 400mg
wk 4: 500mg
wk 6: 400mg

Can i be curious to what brand SAMe and I3C you are using? Now I have some NOW I3C at hand, still have to choose my SAMe.

GotTest · 07-18-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ases

Thx for reply, some solid info! My weight is 180 lbs

So would you run the 6-oxo like this:
wk 2: 300mg
wk 3: 400mg
wk 4: 500mg
wk 6: 400mg

Can i be curious to what brand SAMe and I3C you are using? Now I have some NOW I3C at hand, still have to choose my SAMe.

I would do a 300/400/600/400/200.
I usually run the AI a few weeks past the typical 4week protocol. AI's can take a toll on your libido if dosed too high. I found this out during my first PCT. I ran Formestane and HDX2 at too high of doses. I felt better when I dropped the Form from the stack and just ran the HDX2. Don't get me wrong, Form is awesome... a little too awesome as an AI in my case.

I buy the NOW 400mg SAMe and break the tabs in half toward the end of PCT.
I also use the NOW I3C too. Doc is not that fond of the NOW brand because of the Flax ingredients, which is known to have estrogenic properties.Doc hates Soy and Flax. I've never had a problem with it at all.
Hell... you'll be running an AI anyway, so Est levels will kept at bay.

alden003 · 07-18-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotTest

I know Doc's been away for a while so I'll throw ya my 2cents from some suggestion he's made in the past...

You've definitely been doing some reading. Great job!

Not sure of your weight but you'll get more "bang" out of the Epidrol if you do a 20/30/40/40
You can do 1 cap for the first day then start the 20 on day 2. That way you'll have enough from 1 bottle of 90caps, and you'll be able to see if you tolerate sulfur.

PCT supps look solid!

Here is what I usually do...
SAMe 400/400/200/200 (This stuff is pricey and potent)
I3C 600/600/400/200
Take 3 ZMA at night before bed through the entire PCT.

Since you're hit with gyno (like me

) I would run the 6-oxo.
Doc has recommended running this in week 2 when Test starts to rise. A taper up protocol (300-600mg/day) is usually followed to correlate with the rise in Test.
Others have followed a taper down (from 600 to 300mg/day).
I follow a taper up then back down approach. I've just found I respond better that way with AI's in the past.
PCS and Ejac will definitely get the "juices" flowing and libido should not be a problem.
Good luck and let us know how it works out.

I am 215. 40-50mg was the sweet spot for me so that sounds like that will be a good cycle for you.

Ases · 07-19-2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alden003

I am 215. 40-50mg was the sweet spot for me so that sounds like that will be a good cycle for you.

Yeah I'm think it'll be better to run it in those dosages, what did you run for PCT?

GMG760 · 08-01-2008, 05:14 PM

You guys don't recommend a SERM for PCT?... I would have thought a low dose of nolva 20/20/10/10 would have been the way to go... I dunno though, I took a much higher dose of epi. You guys like the SAMe alot?

THEHUGE · 10:49 AM

Epi is pretty mild on hpta,so an otc pct would be fine. A good resveratrol product should do the trick on your LH output improving also libido and well being and a test booster would cover the other aspects of recovery. Your cycle is also pretty mild and short,I wouldn't expect much suppression at all. SERMs are overrated for this kind of cycles. Nolva is toxic for your liver,not a good idea after a methyl. Resveratrol,although it has some serm-like properties on the pituitary like nolva,is a powerful antioxidant and should detoxicate the liver. Indole-3-carbinol is also a smart choise due to its estrogen-channeling action and it's a very safe and health compound.