HELP - <0.07mUI/ml LH!

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by mstmind

So I should use an AI right now? Would novedex be a good choice?

I NEVER/NEVER/NEVER "suggest" anything.

Why?

Because then people assume I am talking about and support "research chems" and/or that I have a "proposed sample offering for ALL cycles."

Neither of the above are true!!!


Novedex does NOT equal Nolvadex and one thing I can assure you of is that I do NOT care for ATD products for reasons already stated in PCT: ACV. Plus, its an AI - again, with true shutdown...this would not make overt sense off the bat.


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[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by mstmind

no help at all? :(

Hmmmm, I feel like a broken record on my end.

Originally Posted by THEHUGE

For what I can understand,Dana's favourite approach is I3C ramped down(or kept steady) with AI ramped up.
Things like divanil,forskolin and icariin can be used straight from the beginning to the end in his opinion if I remember correctly.

Broken record theme/format: Cycle-dependent, cycle-dependent, cycle-dependent.

Originally Posted by mstmind

Hmm ok, If help does not come from Doc, then I will start Novedex XT and will post lab results after..
There is something weird also.. Despite of having a relatively low test level and no FSH or LH at all, my libido is completely normal.. I don't see any advantage using I3C with higher doses of AI, which estrogen I3C will affect? Icarrin is for libido issues also, which is not my problem.. Divanil will only free more test, thus promoting more negative feedback, which is not desired

I will get to all comments as I am able, but I cannot be on-line 24/7. That said, you are asking about this after-the-fact, so I am not fully acquainted with what went wrong in the first place and how we arrived at where we are. In other words, where were you asking these questions pre-cycle? That is meant in the nicest way possible by the way, but I can be nothing more than blunt in this conversation apparently when I feel people are questioning my suggestions which have stayed 100% identical over the last 5 years.

The last statement of the above does NOT appear to be true actually when you are talking about what happens in real-world translation with actual labs.

We all understand what the MOA is with I3C, correct?

Icarrin and "libido" is a peculiar simplification.


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[SuperBig]

mstmind:

You really should spend some time reading the PCT:A Clinician's View series of documents. It goes into great detail about I3C - what it does, why it works, and why you MIGHT need it, even with concurrent use of an AI.

Also, there are many people who claim that ATD absolutely CRUSHES their libido, so you might want to re-evaluate that icariin comment. It is just very much dependent on your cycle and how your body will respond to these things. Others really like ATD. Me personally, I like 6-bromo, better than 6-oxo.

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Why is it that you think that doesn't describe ramp up of an AI with ramp down of a SERM. That is exactly what the quote suggests.

In short..."SERMs weaned for AI's." [translation: wean SERMs = taper them down, for AIs = taper them up]

I am uncertain how this is being read, but it is the same offering as it has always been.

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Fixed.
The verb "to wean" has been misread by me(sometimes language is an issue for me being not british nor american),sorry my fault. It's all clear now.

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

We all understand what the MOA is with I3C, correct?

Icarrin and "libido" is a peculiar simplification.


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The MOA of I3C is clear
I've never tought icariin is just a "boner-booster"!!

[mstmind]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Novedex does NOT equal Nolvadex and one thing I can assure you of is that I do NOT care for ATD products for reasons already stated in PCT: ACV. Plus, its an AI - again, with true shutdown...this would not make overt sense off the bat.


D_

I never said that. You could give me a clinical advice then, not supp based. I can get nolvadex or clomid or whatever

Originally Posted by dinoiii

I will get to all comments as I am able, but I cannot be on-line 24/7. That said, you are asking about this after-the-fact, so I am not fully acquainted with what went wrong in the first place and how we arrived at where we are. In other words, where were you asking these questions pre-cycle? That is meant in the nicest way possible by the way, but I can be nothing more than blunt in this conversation apparently when I feel people are questioning my suggestions which have stayed 100% identical over the last 5 years.

The last statement of the above does NOT appear to be true actually when you are talking about what happens in real-world translation with actual labs.

We all understand what the MOA is with I3C, correct?

Icarrin and "libido" is a peculiar simplification.

D_

I stated my history, which more facts do you need? My PCT was planned with clomiphene citrate and AI PCS, but It didn't recover me, that's the problem. If PCT could be better elaborated, that's not for us to discuss right now because it's PAST.
Until now, I'm totally lost with the advices on this thread and I don't even know which compound I should give a try.. Or if I should wait my body recover naturally.... ??

[mstmind]

Originally Posted by SuperBig

mstmind:

You really should spend some time reading the PCT:A Clinician's View series of documents. It goes into great detail about I3C - what it does, why it works, and why you MIGHT need it, even with concurrent use of an AI.

Also, there are many people who claim that ATD absolutely CRUSHES their libido, so you might want to re-evaluate that icariin comment. It is just very much dependent on your cycle and how your body will respond to these things. Others really like ATD. Me personally, I like 6-bromo, better than 6-oxo.

Ok, I could add Icariin with the ATD.
Why the use of AI doesn't make sense if my 17B-Estradiol is at the normal range? Despite of not having LH and FSH, testosterone (relatively low) and estradiol were still at what is considered normal! (test is not though, my normal is 600)

[broken7]

update ?