HGH+insulin vs IGF-1+insulin vs GH frags+insulin

[pudzian2]

as far as slin. I think insulin has its place and can be used as a powerful anabolic under the right circumstance which I have yet to discover for myself. I have used it by itself, and I really couldt tell much from it. I know It put on a bit of fat... It made me so hungry. I have since improved my diet and physique and if I use it again I would stick to maybe 5iu post workout 10iu MAX.

[distilled water]

Slin scares the ish outta me so I choose not to even research it.

Yea A few old G's I've talked to didn't see much from Igf-1 until they were shooting 40mcg bi-lat. 3-4x's/week. All used without AAS. I wonder how 30mcg bi-lateral would do while useing AAS, just gonna have to wait and see

[pudzian2]

I used 50mcg bi lat (25mics each side). PWO with test and EQ and I think it helped me, but I dont think it was enough to warrant the cost of LR-3, especially when AAS can do a lot more for my physique before I need to resort to extras like LR3 and GH etc to continue to see gains. you know what I mean>?

[distilled water]

Yea more people need to start useing so the price will come down

[pudzian2]

there need to be HGH donation foundations for poor helpless deficient beef monster bodybuilders

[Bobaslaw]

There was one member on AM that decided to throw in some GH [6-13] he had into his cycle of CJC-1295 and Peg-anti-GDF-8 (Myostatin Inhibitor). He started to use it Pre-Workout at 50mics.

Below is my reply to his post on using it pre-workout at 50mics:

Some points of interest in the 1st study of 6-13.

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/131/2/835.pdf

Dosages were in the 3mg/kg range. Tests were done with 6-13 alone as well as 6-13 and insulin together .1 U/kg. Tests with 6-13 alone showed smaller increases of glucose shuttling than with insulin combined, which was increased to over 2X, lasting up to 90min and tapering at 120min. This shows the synergistic activity of 6-13 with triggered endogenous insulin release, or combined exogenous even.
Glycogen synthesis at 3mg/kg was increased by 30%. Unfortunately, however, Fat metabolism (lipogenesis) increased as well. With insulin alone lipogenesis increased 98%. With added 6-13 along with insulin the increase was 148% (50% greater), showing that 6-13 synergises adiposite bound insulin activity.

Anyhow, seems these dosages are way higher than what you are running so unsure about the how much effect there will be compared to the study doses.
I wonder if shooting IM may target more 6-13 for glycogen synthesis and less available to agonise adiposites, especially with PWO insulin release. Might be that subq could allow more agonism with subq fat deposits as well, seems plausible from the study info.
If anyone else wants to chime in that would be great as I am just using my very limited intelect here, as it is a learning experience for me as well.

Take Care.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Bobaslaw

There was one member on AM that decided to throw in some GH [6-13] he had into his cycle of CJC-1295 and Peg-anti-GDF-8 (Myostatin Inhibitor). He started to use it Pre-Workout at 50mics.

Below is my reply to his post on using it pre-workout at 50mics:

yea I believe it was BLACK747.... It doesnt appear that these myostatin inhibitors have been developed for humans as they have for animals yet... At least as far as the results are concerned. Im not even sure if Black747 is using a human version?> Im not sure....

[pudzian2]

as far as the 6-13 gh frag goes... I just dont think I would be using that yet not knowing exactly how it works and what it does.

[Bobaslaw]

We miss you over at AM, BTW. Really glad to see you here...

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by Bobaslaw

We miss you over at AM, BTW. Really glad to see you here...

thanks bro. I liked the guys over at that board alot. THere were some knowledgeable bros over there. EFFING politics and stupid drama.