187s (EQ-T)2 Log

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by LBVT

I guess the main question is, does the EQ convert to 1-test or Dbol? And if it converts to 1-Test, how could people be seeing results at such a low dose??

it converts to dbol, but only at about 15%, which means it also has some direct activity of its own. Similar really to halodrol, which has a conversion to oral turinabol, but has activity of its own

[one8seven]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

yup, just keep in mind you may need to take an AI with it to keep down bloating and to avoid growing boobs once you get over 100-120mg of it a day

I need to run an AI now over a 35mg increase? At 3 a day or 105mg it had no effect what so ever. I don't know if adding another pill, or 35mg is going to make me grow tits. I could see it if I upped it to 5 or 6, which would be 175mg to 210mg.

Are you sure about a need for an AI?

[EasyEJL]

it may or may not affect you that badly, its hard to say. i personally would run 6-oxo or an atd product at 140 and up.

[EasyEJL]

just to be clear, i'd be adding the ai more over avoiding bloat than really the tits thing, but it is a risk as m1,4add is an aromatizable substance. so it really depends on your bodily aromatase level how much it will affect you

[one8seven]

I misunderstood what you were saying. I was reading it as the sense of urgency was on gyno breaking out, not so much bloating. I have a 60ct bottle of 6-oxo sitting on a shelf unopened right now. I could start taking it I suppose as a precaution. If I do I might as well ramp the (eq-t)2 to 5 around this time next week I'm thinkin and run it like that for the last 2 weeks.

What's your thoughts on that?

With the added doses do I need to increase my SAMe intake?

if i dose the 6-oxo at 3 before bed or 300mgs is that good?

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by one8seven

I misunderstood what you were saying. I was reading it as the sense of urgency was on gyno breaking out, not so much bloating. I have a 60ct bottle of 6-oxo sitting on a shelf unopened right now. I could start taking it I suppose as a precaution. If I do I might as well ramp the (eq-t)2 to 5 around this time next week I'm thinkin and run it like that for the last 2 weeks.

What's your thoughts on that?

With the added doses do I need to increase my SAMe intake?

if i dose the 6-oxo at 3 before bed or 300mgs is that good?

400mg SAMe on an empty stomach in the morning. You may not even get bloated from it. I have a few bro's who use m1,4 by itself and say it is their FAV ph ever. They claim it is dry and they get ZERO bloat. If you don't start bloating, then don't use the 6-OXO. If you DO start bloating, then start with the 300mg and see how that goes. Adjust from there as needed. 140mg m1,4 should get you about 20-25mg dbol. that's a nice dose I'd stick with 4 caps per day if it were me. Just my .02 Any more than 30mg dbol causes an estrogen spillover, then you HAVE to use an AI no matter what.

[EasyEJL]

i definitely wouldn't go past 5 without having materials on hand in case gyno starts - letrozole + serms. with 5 at 175mg thats plenty. even with the relatively weak dbol conversion, you are looking at equivalent of almost 30mg dbol, without considering the halo or intrinsic activity of the m1,4. I think 300mg of 6-oxo prebed would probably cover you pretty well, its always tough to say tho, individual body chemistries are so different

[one8seven]

I'll stick with 4. Two at 7am, one at 3 and one at 12. I'll see how it goes without the 6-oxo for the first 3 or 4 days and gauge on whether or not i needa use it or not. Thanks for the input fellas.

[LBVT]

One question. Aren't you worried about running two methyls at once, especially at such high dosages?

[DR_C]

Ok, I'm chiming in here b/c there is some confusion.

First, there is ***very*** limited DHB conversion. I mentioned this fact in a chemistry discussion in some other thread and it seems that it has been overblown.

M1,4-ADD is "DBol" with the addition of an -OH. This conversion takes place through enzymatic reduction and is going to occur at a rate of somewhere around 15%+ of the starting product.

So, if you are running 105 mg of M1,4-ADD you could expect to see about 15-18 mg of conversion. Now, that is based on analytics and not always accurate in vivo. In the body it may be slightly more or slightly less.

As far as the issue of estrogen and bloating, 15-18 mg of converted M1,4-ADD is not going to cause significant opportunity for massive aromatization. If we were looking at 30-40 mg of converted M1,4-ADD, then I would say that an AI would be a good idea for reducing the prospect of aromatization of some of the converted compound. However, to get 30 - 40 mg of converted M1,4-ADD, you would have to run 200 - 250 mg of M1,4-ADD. That's 6 -7 caps a day guys! If you are running 6-7 caps a day, you are on you are on your own!

I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU NOT TRY 6-7 caps daily!

Now, M1,4-ADD has some affinity on its own. The good news is however, that none of the M1,4-ADD can convert directly to estrogen. To aromatize at all, it has to be reduced first and as I stated above, 15 - 18 mg (3 caps a day) is not gong to provide significant opportunity for massive aromatization.

Regards,