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Old 09-02-2008, 06:00 AM   #11
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Wouldn't most of the strength gains be gone once off PH?
not really, if you have proper PCT lined up, your most likely to keep around 90%+ of your gains .. i usually start taking extra whey during PCT to get more protein and cals in.

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Day 6 & 7 : rest and recovery... I went and played disc golf and got a lot of walking in...
I did a few sets of pullups at the house for fun, but I generally rest on weekends.
Day 7 today I am stepping up to 90mg.
My girlfriend said I felt "hot" last night. I figured she was talking sexy-wise lol but obviously my body temp. is up. Still feeling good and looking forward to hitting the gym up tomorrow and looking for an increase in every exercise.

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how has been your diet ? is your appetite crazy ?

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I am kind of disappointed today. I thought I would def. be able to tell a strength difference, but nothing yet. I did get an extra rep or two, but I was looking to add some weight.
I felt good taday and I took some superpump before my workout. After my workout (which was pretty much the same as day 2 with some slight variation + 1 or 2 extra reps on sets)
I checked my BP and it was 109/59. The highest I have seen it get is 135/78 right after eating a couple fried apple pies that my granny made for me shortly after, my BP went back down to 112/59 so BP seems to be under control w/ the Hawthorn. I really would like to see something soon! I notice hardness, a little bloating, and I've gained about five pounds since the beginning. I've also gained an insatiable lust for doughnuts... I dont know why because I never eat them. I have had some people at work tell me I look "swole" though; guys and gals. What I am really looking for in this product is the strength though... Hopefully it will yield some good results by next week.
I get the ssame uncontrolable diet on cycle as well even when i cook clean I still am way to hungry
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Yes my diet has been a lil crazy since I started, but I do try to limit my intake to high protein and low carbs except after workouts when I eat to replenish glycogen storage (high good carbs + protein). I feel like a piece of steel though... its kinda cool.

Day 10 Tuesday
Arms bi's and tri's
I did not take the superpump today and I can honestly say that there's no need for it!
I'll be saving the rest of my stash for PCT and beyond. I worked out just as hard if not harder without it.
Today I pushed the limits and instead of using 30's on incline curls, I went from 30s to 35s to 40s for 4-5 reps (40s)...thats could be an increase in strength, but it's not certain because I couldve prob. done that anyway; I usually stick with the 30s for 3 sets of 10. But either way, I was def. feeling good in the gym and wanting to go heavy on everything. I got a few extra reps than normal, and i felt focused on the pump. I also did a few lat exercises both heavy and I will start to incorporate at least two exercises of another muscle group every day, e.g. chest day--burn out chest then 2 shoulder ex.

Thanks for all of you guys support. So far I like the product and the only side I notice is increased irritablilty (not bad) and a little water retention, but let's face it most non PH workout products make your body hold water so it's nothing I haven't seen before and Im sure it will be gone after the cycle.
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Day 11 Wed.
Legs
I trained legs today in the normal fashion and didnt really try to go up in weight because I trained Karate for 1.5 hours then hit the gym, so I was already burning in the legs. I did my normal workout with maybe some slight variation. I did go heavier on leg press though by 90 lbs. I felt good and I also worked chest again. I lifted 10 lbs. heavier than normal on bench and I couldve done more, but my elbow joint started to hurt so I didnt go any heavier than 220. BUt it seemed a lot easier than usual. I coulda prob. went to 245, but like I said my joint was starting to hurt and I dont wanna injure myself on cycle; that would suck. For chest I did bench, decline, and ISO incline. I did feel stronger and I think it is starting to take effect more now. Cant wait to hit the gym tom. I am gonna try to progressively move up at least 5-10lbs./ week on all lifts.I still have 21-22 days left on this cycle so I am excited to see what happens!
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Day 12 Thursday: Shoulders
I didnt get much sleep last night because I had to work and then wake up and take my kid to school, but I went to the gym right afterwards and here is what happened:

ISO hammer strength shoulder press: 105x10 195x10 245x6
DB clean and press: 135x7 145x4 (new pers. rec.<press>) 145x2 (I got tired real quick)
DB press: 50sx10 65sx10 50sAPx10
Military press: 135x10 155x10 175x8 195x6
Delt. flys: 30s x10 35s x10 40s x10
Front shouler raises: 25sx10 25sx10 (my elbow started hurting again so I stopped for a while)
Traps DB shrugs: 80s x20 90s x15 100s x15
Delt. raises machine 140x6 110x10 80x10

Arms
Preacher curls machine: 95x10 110x10 125x10
Tricep pushdown: 70x10 80x10 80x8

Abs
60 leg raises
(I decided after being in the gym for 1.5 hours it was time to go eat!)

I feel a little sore in my joints today, although it usually does not affect my workout, but my left shoulder is starting to get annoying. Does anyone have any advice on what to do for it? Maybe an elbow support? It's not excruciating pain or anything, it's just bothersome.
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Day 13 Friday
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I felt good today, except for the fact that I strained my neck a little. Hopefully it goes away by Monday. My libido is 0, but Im getting it on tonight either way.
I had a busy day, so I worked out in the pm.
Pull ups 3 sets of 8
lat pulldown 120x10 160x10 180x6
DB rows 80s x10 (ea side) 100s x10 105s x10(PR only because at my home gym they only go to 100...its a family gym. I worked out at the campus rec today, and I luckily found a workout partner for MWF. That will be cool and get me some forced reps.)
Lat cable machine (independent) 140x10 (ea arm) 180x10 200x8
Row cable machine (independent) 140x10 (ea arm) 160x10 180x10 200x8 140 burnout
Mid back pulley standing 100x10 4 sets
low pulley row 140x10 160x10 180x8 200x6
I did an ab circuit and also 20 reps of 240lb. squats then called it a day.

Last night, I had a moments trouble of getting to sleep because I felt hot and a lil sour to my stomach. All better now! I might hit the gym Sunday for some deadlifts and shoulders but it depends on how my neck feels because Im going up on bench Monday and I want to be in optimal condish. You guys have a good weekend! I'll post some start pics soon.
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Day 14 Sat. REst & recovery
Day 15 Sun.
I went to the gym for a moment and did some deadlifts
135x10 225x8 245x6
then i did some shoulder raises on cable machine
160x 10 3 sets
then I left because it was a very nice day outside and I usually dont work on the weekends

Day 16 Monday
Chest:
Incline barbell press: 135x10 155x10 185x8 195x5(best Ive ever got thus far)
I believe the best I was doing previously was about 185x3-4 so I went up ten lbs. and up in reps. Proof's in the pudding on that one. Def. a strength gain.
INcline DB press: 70sx10 80sx8 90sx6 (best thus far also; of course I usually dont work with DBs for chest, although I should and will start now.)
Bench Press: 135x10 185x6 205x5w/spot 225x5w/spot 245x3w/spot 135x10
My chest was wore out after the incline exercises, but I still managed to push up some decent weight with the spot of my newfound workout partner at school.
Decline Press: 135x10 185x8 205x6w/spot
INcline DB flys: 40sx10 50sx10 50sx10
Cable crossovers: 30ea sidex10 3 sets
8 dips
~25 pushups

Before I worked in the gym today, I had Karate class. That was tiring and we always do jumping jacks, crunches, lots of kicks and stretches, and lots of sweating.
AFter I went to the gym I went to play 4 on 4 BBall and got a bad cramp in my hamstring!
Ouch... It went away and after I went to study group for Organic, I went to train Muay Thai/Kickboxing for an hour and a half which consisted of LOTS of rounds (3min. rounds) of jumping rope, more crunches, pushups, stretching, and a LOT of kicks and knees. I now have sore calves and ankles and two huge blood blisters on my big toes. They do not feel good. My whole body feels drained, and I dont think Ive ever done a leg workout that made me more sore than what they are now! lol I took a hot bath in Epsom salt last night. I think I just did too much in one day.
Only think I dont like about the sides is the bloating. I feel fat and full of gas.
The product does give a little more of the alpha male mentality and so far I would say I'd get it again; maybe try the tren stacked w/ the epi, e.g. Spawn.

Bout to go do some shoulders at the gym. I switched my routine around so my friend and I can work together on MWF so now my typical WO week will be:
M Chest
T Shoulders
W Back
TH Legs
Fri Arms
With a partner I should get some great results in the coming weeks.
I have about 15-16 days left!

I dont have any webhosting for images so the before I started pics can be seen here:
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/drummerdude--/

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Day 17 Tuesday
Shoulders:
ISO lateral shoulder press 90x10 180x10 200x8
DB shoulder press 50sx10 55sx10 65sx9
Standing DB unilateral shoulder press 30sx8 (ea side) 35sx6 40sx6
Smith military press 135x10 155x10 175x8
Smith behind head press 95x10 3 sets
Barbell shoulder pullups 95x10 3 sets
DB delt raises 25sx10 2 sets & 30sx10 1 set
SHoulder shrugs on base lunge/squat machine 180x15 180x12 270x10

I didnt really feel like going to the gym today, but I made myself and I didnt try to go up in weight because Im still exhausted from yesterday. Hopefully, I will feel a little more up to par tomorrow. I have noticed a little acne, but nothing super bad.
I checked my BP yesterday and it was 118/59
Today my weight is 182.5lbs.
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Day 18 Wed.
Back
Felt good today and had a good workout.
went up in all lifts esp. lat pulldown went up to 180x10
did some BB bent over rows 185x10 supersetted with more pullups
did a lot of stuff i dont remember lol but everything was feeling great.

Day 19 Thurs.
Legs
Hack Press 270lbs. 3 sets of 10-12
Leg press ( on back) 630lbs. 2 sets of 10
720 x 6 last set
Squats on smith(actual weight)
188x10 238x10 278x8 308x5
Leg extensions
145x10 165x10 205x10
DB lunges (stationary) 40s 3 sets of 10
Hor. calf ext.
140x20 230x15 230x20

DAy20 Friday
Arms
BB curls
65x10 85x10 105x6(last few w/spot) all supersetted w/ bicep pullups simult.
DB alt. curls
40sx10 50sx10 60sx6 50sx8
Preacher bb curls
50x10 70x10 100x5 w spot 100x 5 w spot
burnout w/ 30s x12 (i got 12)
Bicep cable 50x12 60x 12 70x12 (ea arm)
Tricep skull crushers
55x12 75x10 105x6 wpot 105x4 wspot 105x7 w spot
Tricep rope pushdown
60x10 70x10 80x8
overhead tri
50x10 60x10 60x10
close grip bench
135x10 155x8 175x7
DB throw backs
20x10 ea arm 2 sets
25 x10 ea arm last set

Ab core ciruit done before arm w/o
I felt really good...joints hurt a little but nothing unmanageable.

Feel free to ask me any questions or chime in on anything. Hope this helps future users. I noticed that there's not a lot of logged info on this stuff. Thus far, I feel content to buy a few more bottles for later and I think my next run in a few months will be the epi/tren stack.

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Day 21 & 22
Rest and Recovery!

My left elbow joint/brachialis is very sore so I saved myself for Monday. Im going for 205 on incline...maybe more...
I got severely angry today for no reason...it took a while to go away, but I cooled down.
BP today: 128/64

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