Help with clearing up a few things ....

[code0824]

Just wondering what the best SERM to have on hand is in case my rat gets gyno. What is the best serm? I thought it was tamoxifen citrate but then i read it is toremifene, then its another HELPPP. What would be the best ??? EXPLAIN.......

i saw this on the site
I think Doc listed his preference in SERMS in regard to HTPA recovery as:
1. Clomid
2. Ralox
3. Torem
4. Tamox

I think im going to have my rat use torem if he ever runs SD, phera, of m1t ( not at the same time)
how does torem dosage look?
It looks like tamox is the bottom line product... its good but not the best seems like torem is better..... HELP

[bassgod272]

i will answer your question with another question. what does your cycle look like? this GREATLY affects PCT dosing with SERM's. torem and tamox are great for gyno, ralox and clomid are better for hpta up regulation.

[code0824]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

i will answer your question with another question. what does your cycle look like? this GREATLY affects PCT dosing with SERM's. torem and tamox are great for gyno, ralox and clomid are better for hpta up regulation.

what would you use coming off m1t
what would you use coming off SD
what would you use coming off SD bridged with phera
what would you use with Xtreme Tren
what would you use with phera


Thanks

[GQ-Nemesis]

Originally Posted by code0824

what would you use coming off m1t
what would you use coming off SD
what would you use coming off SD bridged with phera
what would you use with Xtreme Tren
what would you use with phera


Thanks

phera/sd .. i think he will suggest torem or tamox (nolva)
xtreme tren .. clomid should work fine

as for m1t .. i havent read many reviews on the product to give u an opinion.

[xjsynx]

What would one suggest for a Trenadrol + Furazadrol stack?

I have clomid and torem...

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by xjsynx

What would one suggest for a Trenadrol + Furazadrol stack?

I have clomid and torem...

nobody knows what the hell actually is in trenadrol exept a few guys at kilo.

[Supa-T]

Originally Posted by THEHUGE

nobody knows what the hell actually is in trenadrol exept a few guys at kilo.

No doubt. What the heck is this crap about on the back of the bottle? It's the same nomenclature as Methoxy-TRN (ALRI) but at 20x the dose?! (1.5mg active vs. 30)

[DR_C]

Originally Posted by code0824

Just wondering what the best SERM to have on hand is in case my rat gets gyno. What is the best serm? I thought it was tamoxifen citrate but then i read it is toremifene, then its another HELPPP. What would be the best ??? EXPLAIN.......

i saw this on the site
I think Doc listed his preference in SERMS in regard to HTPA recovery as:
1. Clomid
2. Ralox
3. Torem
4. Tamox

I think im going to have my rat use torem if he ever runs SD, phera, of m1t ( not at the same time)
how does torem dosage look?
It looks like tamox is the bottom line product... its good but not the best seems like torem is better..... HELP

You asked in regard to your rat getting gyno and that is different than PCT so I would say you have to consider a couple of things in regard to gyno and SERMS to answer this question.

First, gyno is caused by estrogen
Second, estrogen is elevated in most folks on this board as a result of the introduction of supraphysiological levels of testosterone
Third, there must be an available amount of enzyme in the body to convert testostrone to estrogen.
Fourth, SERMs block estrogen binding in site specific tissue and inhibit the formation of gyno.
Fifth, although the site specific tissue is protected, the cause of gyno (i.e. high estrogen level) still exist even with the use of SERMS.

Using SERMs to combat gyno is only treating the symptom not the cause of the problem.

So, this brings me to my answer.....

Use an AI like A-dex. By doing so, you eliminate the cause (AI's remove the enzyme for converting test to estrogen) and hence the symptom is also eliminated. Also, AIs do not have some of the problematic issues in reagrd to IGF-1 blunting that are common with some SERMS. Finally, and again unlike SERMS, an AI will support additional free test in your bloodstream b/c AIs will inhibit the conversion of test to estrogen.

So, all the way around, in regard to gyno, AIs are your best choice over SERMs.

Regards,

[mmowry]

Another great post Doc!

[code0824]

Originally Posted by DR_C

You asked in regard to your rat getting gyno and that is different than PCT so I would say you have to consider a couple of things in regard to gyno and SERMS to answer this question.

First, gyno is caused by estrogen
Second, estrogen is elevated in most folks on this board as a result of the introduction of supraphysiological levels of testosterone
Third, there must be an available amount of enzyme in the body to convert testostrone to estrogen.
Fourth, SERMs block estrogen binding in site specific tissue and inhibit the formation of gyno.
Fifth, although the site specific tissue is protected, the cause of gyno (i.e. high estrogen level) still exist even with the use of SERMS.

Using SERMs to combat gyno is only treating the symptom not the cause of the problem.

So, this brings me to my answer.....

Use an AI like A-dex. By doing so, you eliminate the cause (AI's remove the enzyme for converting test to estrogen) and hence the symptom is also eliminated. Also, AIs do not have some of the problematic issues in reagrd to IGF-1 blunting that are common with some SERMS. Finally, and again unlike SERMS, an AI will support additional free test in your bloodstream b/c AIs will inhibit the conversion of test to estrogen.

So, all the way around, in regard to gyno, AIs are your best choice over SERMs.

Regards,

Very good post and what do you recommend for an AI?