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solomon1979 · 06-27-2008, 10:50 PM

I really wanted to post something on DA, but the last Monster Cap fiasco was a bit much. I will try to to handle this as tastefully as possible.

About the product-

per 1 capsule.......

Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg

I'm guessing its 12mg of ATD, 12mg of 6-Bromo(specific isomer unknown by everyone except DN and the bottlers), and 100mg of I3C.

S.E.R.M. Matrix 500mg

I'm guessing 400mg of Trans-Resveratrol and 100mg of 100:1 Tongkat Ali(Longjack).

A single bottle is 60 caps with a retail between $40-50. You need 3 capsules to get a decent dosage of trans-resveratrol, but that also would give you 36mg of ATD, 36mg of 6-Bromo, 300mg of I3C, and 300mg of longjack. Trans-resveratrol is only mildly effective orally at 1200mg with absorption aids such as quercetin and piperine. This product contains none, so one might have to compensate with a higher dosage. Say I took 4 capsules to get the most of what the reps have quoted as being the heart of the product which is trans-resveratrol. I'm then getting 48mg of ATD, 48mg of 6-Bromo(unknown as to whether or not I'm getting the androgenic prohormone isomer), 400mg of I3C, and 400mg of Longjack(which indecently has caused prolactin issues for many a user at high dosages).

*My personal thoughts.....

I think they could have just used 6-Bromo as the AI in this product, used a higher dosage of I3C, not hyped up trans-resveratrol as the backbone(maybe included it along with R-ALA and touted it as an anti-oxidant)of the product, definitely included an absorption aid if they were intent on saying trans-resveratrol was the backbone, included ZMA, and also included a mucuna pruriens extract or P-5-P. I think too much was being tried to be covered with this product and it seems like almost none of them are being covered very well. I also think that product should have been bottled at 90 capsules if they want to keep the claim that they are trying to save people money by releasing this product as an "all-in-one.". The way it stand, you need two bottles to run this and will be getting too much of some ingredients and not enough of the others.

solomon1979 · 06-27-2008, 10:59 PM

In regards to trans-resveratrol I have had better results with the transdermal variety than with the oral products. I have had good results with oral products with them being dosed between 2-3 grams, but that is in no way cost efficient. I can also say for certain that I noticed more hpta stimulation than any type of AI effect. I am led to believe that it would not be the best stand alone product for PCT. The only products containing trans-resveratrol as its backbone that worked well for me in PCT was Dermacrine Sustain, but I attribute to its inclusion of two phyto AI's. I also liked 6-OXO Extreme, but I would say that 6-OXO is still the primary ingredient in that product and that it doesn't necessarily apply as a decent example. It would also help to know what percentage of trans-resveratrol is in reversitol, since most are using a 50% extract with absorption aids.

UNCfan1 · 06-27-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by solomon1979

I really wanted to post something on DA, but the last Monster Cap fiasco was a bit much. I will try to to handle this as tastefully as possible.

About the product-

per 1 capsule.......

Estrogen Modulation Matrix (EMM) 124mg

I'm guessing its 12mg of ATD, 12mg of 6-Bromo(specific isomer unknown by everyone except DN and the bottlers), and 100mg of I3C.

S.E.R.M. Matrix 500mg

I'm guessing 400mg of Trans-Resveratrol and 100mg of 100:1 Tongkat Ali(Longjack).

A single bottle is 60 caps with a retail between $40-50. You need 3 capsules to get a decent dosage of trans-resveratrol, but that also would give you 36mg of ATD, 36mg of 6-Bromo, 300mg of I3C, and 300mg of longjack. Trans-resveratrol is only mildly effective orally at 1200mg with absorption aids such as quercetin and piperine. This product contains none, so one might have to compensate with a higher dosage. Say I took 4 capsules to get the most of what the reps have quoted as being the heart of the product which is trans-resveratrol. I'm then getting 48mg of ATD, 48mg of 6-Bromo(unknown as to whether or not I'm getting the androgenic prohormone isomer), 400mg of I3C, and 400mg of Longjack(which indecently has caused prolactin issues for many a user at high dosages).

*My personal thoughts.....

I think they could have just used 6-Bromo as the AI in this product, used a higher dosage of I3C, not hyped up trans-resveratrol as the backbone(maybe included it along with R-ALA and touted it as an anti-oxidant)of the product, definitely included an absorption aid if they were intent on saying trans-resveratrol was the backbone, included ZMA, and also included a mucuna pruriens extract or P-5-P. I think too much was being tried to be covered with this product and it seems like almost none of them are being covered very well. I also think that product should have been bottled at 90 capsules if they want to keep the claim that they are trying to save people money by releasing this product as an "all-in-one.". The way it stand, you need two bottles to run this and will be getting too much of some ingredients and not enough of the others.

Agreed 100%.