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Old 07-13-2008, 09:53 PM   #31
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A majority of my PMs consist of either hair loss or libido loss on PHs/AAS/DS and Novedex can kill libido. I don't really care about that, hell I'd prefer my libido to be killed, actually :p But anyway, this is where 6-OXO is king with PCT relevances when libido and hairloss is an issue. That's why I was asking in what respect is Novedex better.
To be honest my experiences with 6-oxo have me blasting off at 3am like I was 16 for about 3 days into the second week....every time I run it.

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My next pct will be Novedex XT .
Old 07-14-2008, 05:08 PM   #32
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My next pct will be Novedex XT.
It's good to experiment.
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:36 AM   #33
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Yes, I am aware. Eugonadal.

To copy and paste:

"Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation."

"Compared to baseline, free testosterone underwent overall increases of 90% for 300 mg 6-OXO and 84% for 600 mg, respectively (p < 0.05). DHT underwent significant overall increases (p < 0.05) of 192% and 265% with 300 mg and 600 mg, respectively. T/E increased 53% and 67% for 300 mg and 600 mg 6-OXO, respectively. For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p < 0.05).Body composition did not change with supplementation (p > 0.05) and clinical safety markers were not adversely affected with ingestion of either supplement dose (p > 0.05)."

So lets see (now I admit the sentence structure in the first study is a bit annoying but):
....................................Novedex XT..................6-oxo

Free Test...........................625%............... ...........90%
DHT .................................566% .........................265%
T/E.................................. 438% ........................67%

Change body mass............-3.5% fat mass............No change

On a last note, I have not looked into these studies in any effort to determine financial sponsorship.

yes, the shitty doubling of DHT with Novedex compared to 6-oxo sucks (run 5-a-reductase inhib during pct) but Free Test is KING for anabolic purposes.

You must attempt to maintain a strong anabolic environment in pct (essential free test and thyroid hormone driven) or your gains will disappear.
Hmmmm. Interesting to me how 300mg of 6OXO is just as good, actually a bit better, than 600mg. Do most people really have problems with hair loss brought on by their AI's?
Somewhat surprising to me. Just curious, What 5-a-reductase inhib would you recommend?
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Hmmmm. Interesting to me how 300mg of 6OXO is just as good, actually a bit better, than 600mg. Do most people really have problems with hair loss brought on by their AI's?
Somewhat surprising to me. Just curious, What 5-a-reductase inhib would you recommend?
Well, I have no personal preference. Ideally what ever you can obtain legally (and/or cheaply). I have not personally used one yet but plan to use finistride for my next PCT.

Toying with the idea of PCT being 300mg 6-oxo and 2 tabs Novedex XT....maybe best of both worlds...(not necessarily a synergistic benefit, but just maybe some libido help).
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Well, I have no personal preference. Ideally what ever you can obtain legally (and/or cheaply). I have not personally used one yet but plan to use finistride for my next PCT.

Toying with the idea of PCT being 300mg 6-oxo and 2 tabs Novedex XT....maybe best of both worlds...(not necessarily a synergistic benefit, but just maybe some libido help).
One or the other might assist with libido either from the direct inclusion of 3-OHAT in Novedex XT or its metabolism from 6-OXO. Together I think you may just have a high level of estrogen suppression that would squash any libido enhancing potential caused by the 3-OHAT.
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Novedex XT and Formadrol Extreme: 1 each twice a day
Testatrol and ZMA: 3 each at night.

This has worked for me well.
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I loved 6oxo it swole my nuts up huge
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I loved 6oxo it swole my nuts up huge
Damn, it didn't do that for me
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