Supression in Stack vs. Solo runs

[celc5]

If my primary concern is suppression, would someone have greater suppressed natural test levels by running a ph/des in:

a) higher dose of a solo run
b) moderate/typical dose stacked

I'll try to use a common stack and one that I'm considering:
a) 40mg phera solo x4wks
b) 30mg phera/ 60mg propardol x4wks

I realize there's about 473 thousand variables and you'll all say "it depends"... I say "answer the question with your best guess"

[awmcdon]

Depends on the hormones used.
But my best guess for your example would be that it doesn't matter, they would suppress equally.

[heebs99]

40mg of pheraplex? Bro, have you cycled it before? You'll probably see results at 20mg, let alone 30. 40 is just overdoing it.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by heebs99

40mg of pheraplex? Bro, have you cycled it before? You'll probably see results at 20mg, let alone 30. 40 is just overdoing it.

Thanks bro. No I haven't ran PP but I'm well aware of typical phera dosing. I just used those particulars to illustrate my question rather than to plan the cycle.

Another example could be 50mg epi vs. 30-40mg epi with 60-90 prop.

Heebs, what are your thoughts on the question I asked bro?

[awmcdon]

I ran 20mg and didn't feel anything.
Just goes to show everyone is different.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by awmcdon

I ran 20mg and didn't feel anything.
Just goes to show everyone is different.

AW, I appreciate your response. From what I see, most newbies are running phera clones at 15/30/30/30 and putting on a solid 8 pounds or so of lean mass. I've read about 10-20 logs and that seems to be the consensus.

However, one fella did suggest a 2 on 4 off schedule with only 20mgs. He swears he was gaining like 10 pounds every time around. So maybe heebs is on to something???

I'm thinking something like 20/30/30/30 for me and maybe 40 in the third and fourth week, but I'll just play it by ear and adjust as I go along.

[heebs99]

Ah, gotcha.

Far as your question goes, I can't be of any help because I'm not familiar with that other supplement. Sorry.

Originally Posted by celc5

Thanks bro. No I haven't ran PP but I'm well aware of typical phera dosing. I just used those particulars to illustrate my question rather than to plan the cycle.

Another example could be 50mg epi vs. 30-40mg epi with 60-90 prop.

Heebs, what are your thoughts on the question I asked bro?

[heebs99]

Interesting.

I did read somewhere before that consistent dosing of PP yields better results than ramping up, aka taking 20mg every day as opposed to going 10mg, 20mg, then finishing at 30 or 40 will yield more gains.

But again, this is just one thing that I read somewhere. I forget where, sorry.

edit: For the record, I'm running my first cycle ever of PP right now. 10mg the first week, and I'm planning on 20mg for the next 3 weeks. I'll keep you guys updated on how it goes. I'm on day 9 and my weight is up 5 pounds, been at 20mg for 2 days now.

Originally Posted by celc5

AW, I appreciate your response. From what I see, most newbies are running phera clones at 15/30/30/30 and putting on a solid 8 pounds or so of lean mass. I've read about 10-20 logs and that seems to be the consensus.

However, one fella did suggest a 2 on 4 off schedule with only 20mgs. He swears he was gaining like 10 pounds every time around. So maybe heebs is on to something???

I'm thinking something like 20/30/30/30 for me and maybe 40 in the third and fourth week, but I'll just play it by ear and adjust as I go along.

[B-natural]

I thought phera was dosed @ 15mg/cap, guess diff co's are using diff mg's?

I would think a stack would shut you down harder than a solo run, but it does "depend" cuz an SD/Tren stack has the potential to shut you down harder than a phera/prop stack....

with the harsher compounds its hard to decide whether to run it lower dosed and longer or hit it hard and get off (have fun with that one perverts lol).
I believe I saw Voo discussing that receptors can bind/fill up faster with the higher doses, but it seems that dosing higher and stopping the cycle quicker seems to have average results. I've always had better results running products for a longer period of time. Sorry for trailing off here.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by B-natural

I thought phera was dosed @ 15mg/cap, guess diff co's are using diff mg's?

I would think a stack would shut you down harder than a solo run, but it does "depend" cuz an SD/Tren stack has the potential to shut you down harder than a phera/prop stack....

with the harsher compounds its hard to decide whether to run it lower dosed and longer or hit it hard and get off (have fun with that one perverts lol).
I believe I saw Voo discussing that receptors can bind/fill up faster with the higher doses, but it seems that dosing higher and stopping the cycle quicker seems to have average results. I've always had better results running products for a longer period of time. Sorry for trailing off here.

B, that's some good insight, especially since you mentioned your own cycles. If you would be willing to share those specific cycles, it would cool as well to see some concrete examples.

Maybe RA can chime in on this one because I think he occasionally takes the opposite point of view with shorter cycles and higher dosages. I don't wanna speak for him though so maybe he'll offer an opinion.

Most of the phera clones are 15mg/cap that I know of. AwMcDon and I were discussing AX PP, although I guess I hadn't said that in this thread.