HAVOC/BOLD critique

[pitching101]

Still trying to perfect it....
Hey guys I will be turning 21 in February and I am looking to put together my first ph/ds stack. I have been researching for about a year. I have been training seriously and had a strict diet for about 3 years. In my first year of college I bulked up from 175 to about 205-210ish and was very satisfied. I have taken an 8 week cycle of Jungle Warfare in the past so don't know if you guys count that as ph experience. I am 5'10.5, 202 lbs, prob around 16-17%bf (estimate never been tested). I am currently cutting so by the time I start this cycle I should be around 190 at 14ish%.

1 week loading of Cycle Support (1 scoop in loading, 2 the rest of cycle and pct)
Week 1-4 Havoc 10,20/20/30/30
Week 1-8 Bold (800mg) ED + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support

PCT:
Week 9-12 Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support + creatine
Week 9 Nolva (40,40,40,20,20,20,20)
Week 10 Nolva 20 mg
Week 11 Nolva 20 mg
Week 12 Nolva 10 mg

->I was going to take taurine during cycle and liv 52 throughout all 12 weeks but I would really like some advice on liver support. Liver longer is pretty expensive to run for 12 weeks and I would rather go with something else unless you guys think it is extremely beneficial.

->Should I lower the bold dosage to 600mg? If I do should i run it for 10 weeks?

->Still concerned with the placement of the Havoc in the stack

Please give me any suggestions or advice

[jomi822]

you can run havoc for 6 weeks.

6 weeks at 20mgs a day, i would run 2 weeks of bold by itslef in the beginning and finish it up with 6 weeks of bold/havoc combo.

[Right Hook]

Originally Posted by jomi822

you can run havoc for 6 weeks.

6 weeks at 20mgs a day, i would run 2 weeks of bold by itslef in the beginning and finish it up with 6 weeks of bold/havoc combo.

Agree with Jomi. Also you get milk thistle in the cycle support so the liver longer probably isnt necessary. I would use those funds on SAMe to further support the liver. Read Dinoiii's PCT articles in his forum...there's a bunch of info on SAMe's hepatoxic benefits.

[temper35]

Originally Posted by pitching101

Still trying to perfect it....
Hey guys I will be turning 21 in February and I am looking to put together my first ph/ds stack. I have been researching for about a year. I have been training seriously and had a strict diet for about 3 years. In my first year of college I bulked up from 175 to about 205-210ish and was very satisfied. I have taken an 8 week cycle of Jungle Warfare in the past so don't know if you guys count that as ph experience. I am 5'10.5, 202 lbs, prob around 16-17%bf (estimate never been tested). I am currently cutting so by the time I start this cycle I should be around 190 at 14ish%.

1 week loading of Cycle Support (1 scoop in loading, 2 the rest of cycle and pct)
Week 1-4 Havoc 10,20/20/30/30
Week 1-8 Bold (800mg) ED + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support

PCT:
Week 9-12 Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support + creatine
Week 9 Nolva (40,40,40,20,20,20,20)
Week 10 Nolva 20 mg
Week 11 Nolva 20 mg
Week 12 Nolva 10 mg

->I was going to take taurine during cycle and liv 52 throughout all 12 weeks but I would really like some advice on liver support. Liver longer is pretty expensive to run for 12 weeks and I would rather go with something else unless you guys think it is extremely beneficial.

->Should I lower the bold dosage to 600mg? If I do should i run it for 10 weeks?

->Still concerned with the placement of the Havoc in the stack

Please give me any suggestions or advice

I think you got too creative with the Nolva dosing. 20/20/10/10 is fine

[Trauma1]

I'd run the bold at 1 gram/day at the minimum. There has been question as to its actual conversion rate and i've seen people have better results in that dosing range. Bold takes at least 3-4 weeks to kick in and should be run for at least 8 weeks to be effective, so i would start it out 2 weeks prior to starting the havoc and finish with havoc/bold like jomi suggested. Havoc dosing can vary on what you're trying to achieve. I've found the sweet spot to be 30-40mg/day for most people, however since it's your first cycle you should respond very well at 20mg/day. Good luck with the cycle