First H-Drol cycle...need some advice

[joey0480]

Don't worry, I read the newbie section ;-)

Anyways, I am 28, 5'10, 200lbs and about 18% BF. Reason for choosing H-drol was that it cuts too, so I am hoping to lose about 4% BF....I hope. And in the process put on about 10lbs of lean gain.

So, I am on a few other forums, and I may go this route

50/50/75/75/75/75....a six week cycle.
My PCT would be straight Nolva 40/40/20/20 since with that amount of a dosage a SERM would be good IMHO

During the cycle I will be running
Life Support
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/a...-120-caps.html

and the Xyience vitamins I have (2 months left)
http://a-z-nutrition.com/xytamins.html

I do have a bit of high blood pressure (genetic) and am being treated by an antihypertensive and diuretic.

Do you guys think I should load up on Hawthorne berry? Is that something you can grab at CVS or a vitamin shop? I have read a lot about it but never heard of it before.

Any insight or help is appreciated...thanks!

[Rancidlunchmeat]

Originally Posted by joey0480

Anyways, I am 28, 5'10, 200lbs and about 18% BF. Reason for choosing H-drol was that it cuts too, so I am hoping to lose about 4% BF....I hope. And in the process put on about 10lbs of lean gain.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

My PCT would be straight Nolva 40/40/20/20 since with that amount of a dosage a SERM would be good IMHO

Uhh... if you say so.

I do have a bit of high blood pressure (genetic) and am being treated by an antihypertensive and diuretic.

Then you really need to be consulting a qualified medical professional, not an internet forum.

Do you guys think I should load up on Hawthorne berry? Is that something you can grab at CVS or a vitamin shop? I have read a lot about it but never heard of it before.

Hawthorn Berries are available at nearly any health food store. However, if you're already being treated for high blood pressure, you've got serious issues and really need to re-think whether or not this is something that you should be doing.

HB will lower blood pressure, but it will not have a greater effect that the scripts you're already getting. And whether or not there's any additive effect of the HB plus the scripts is something that nobody can accurately advise you on, except for your Doc.

Personally, I'd never run any of these compounds if I had chronic or genetic high blood pressure that was so extreme I had to take meds to control it.

My blood pressure is great despite years of drinking and smoking and when I do a cycle, it flies through the roof unless I've front-loaded with HB.

I simply can't imagine a starting point where my BP was so high I needed scripts to get it normal and then taking PHs that I know will raise it and hope that some stupid silly herb is going to lower it enough to counter-act the effects.

I know that's not the answer you wanted, but it's the only one I've got.

[temper35]

That reply summed it up.

[joey0480]

Originally Posted by Rancidlunchmeat

Your expectations are unrealistic.



Uhh... if you say so.



Then you really need to be consulting a qualified medical professional, not an internet forum.



Hawthorn Berries are available at nearly any health food store. However, if you're already being treated for high blood pressure, you've got serious issues and really need to re-think whether or not this is something that you should be doing.

HB will lower blood pressure, but it will not have a greater effect that the scripts you're already getting. And whether or not there's any additive effect of the HB plus the scripts is something that nobody can accurately advise you on, except for your Doc.

Personally, I'd never run any of these compounds if I had chronic or genetic high blood pressure that was so extreme I had to take meds to control it.

My blood pressure is great despite years of drinking and smoking and when I do a cycle, it flies through the roof unless I've front-loaded with HB.

I simply can't imagine a starting point where my BP was so high I needed scripts to get it normal and then taking PHs that I know will raise it and hope that some stupid silly herb is going to lower it enough to counter-act the effects.

I know that's not the answer you wanted, but it's the only one I've got.

I don't understand how that is unrealistic expectations when numerous people on at least 3 other forums are seeing results along those lines. And since this is practically Tbol, a SERM is better safe than sorry, correct? Regardless, it is always good to have on hand. I have consulted my physician about BP previously, thus the medication. There is no interaction, I know that for a fact. My scripts are because my diastolic tends to run high, but on them it typically is around 65 (obviously lower than 80).

[temper35]

Originally Posted by joey0480

I don't understand how that is unrealistic expectations when numerous people on at least 3 other forums are seeing results along those lines. And since this is practically Tbol, a SERM is better safe than sorry, correct? Regardless, it is always good to have on hand. I have consulted my physician about BP previously, thus the medication. There is no interaction, I know that for a fact. My scripts are because my diastolic tends to run high, but on them it typically is around 65 (obviously lower than 80).

In the latest issue of MD Patrick Arnold says that the androgenic activity and shutdown caused by Halo is pretty low.

I don't think Rancid was referring to the PCT(even though it is overdoing it), but instead your goals and situation. I would never in a million years take a supplement that would RAISE my blood pressure, when I was on a prescription drug given to me by a medical professional that is for the purpose of LOWERING my blood pressure. Not to mention how much liver activity that specific drug may have, further causing problems with the PH and its hepatoxicity.

To expect to put on 10lbs of muscle and lose 4% of bodyfat is like getting a total 30lb weight gain. Anyone who said that that happened is flat out 110% completely lying. It is impossible. This wouldn't happen with injectable drugs, let alone weak ass Halo in 6 weeks.

Completely I M P O S S I B L E.

People who run logs have no idea how to gauge their BF and normally someone who thinks they are 10% is really 15%+. Also, people think that if the scale goes up 1lb, they gained 1lb of muscle...generally because they are delusional. When I read logs the only thing I pay attention to is sides, because people don't lie about them. People will lie about training weights, bodyfat, weight gain, etc., just to look good.

Also, I don't see the need for 75mg. You hold roughly 160lb or less of lean mass at your height, you need no more than 50mg. Stick with 50mg, if you even decide to do this, which I am sure you will.

I still do not think that given your blood pressure issue that it would be wise to take any PH.

[Rancidlunchmeat]

To clarify:

I said his expectations were unrealistic, and Temp did a great job of breaking down the actual percentages to show how unrealistic they are.

I made a comment about his PCT, because, as Temp also mentioned, that extreme of a PCT isn't necessary and the PCT itself will have negative side effects.

I'm occasionally long-winded, and some times my points get lost in my verbosity. Temp did an excellent job of understanding, summarizing, and providing useful input (including his recommendations for dosages).

Take his advice, not the advice you are getting elsewhere.

[mw1]

For a first cycle , i would not recommend a 6 weeker- and especially not going up to 75mg. With your BP issues it would be very stupid.

[J2jud]

If you are running Halo and already have a predisposition for high BP, you should really pay close attention to your body and check your BP as often as you can.

[LLLLern]

Originally Posted by joey0480

I don't understand how that is unrealistic expectations when numerous people on at least 3 other forums are seeing results along those lines. And since this is practically Tbol, a SERM is better safe than sorry, correct? Regardless, it is always good to have on hand. I have consulted my physician about BP previously, thus the medication. There is no interaction, I know that for a fact. My scripts are because my diastolic tends to run high, but on them it typically is around 65 (obviously lower than 80).

please do some MORE research BEFORE you do a cycle

[usf97j4x4]

Originally Posted by joey0480

Don't worry, I read the newbie section ;-)

Anyways, I am 28, 5'10, 200lbs and about 18% BF. Reason for choosing H-drol was that it cuts too, so I am hoping to lose about 4% BF....I hope. And in the process put on about 10lbs of lean gain.

So, I am on a few other forums, and I may go this route

50/50/75/75/75/75....a six week cycle.
My PCT would be straight Nolva 40/40/20/20 since with that amount of a dosage a SERM would be good IMHO

During the cycle I will be running
Life Support
NutraPlanet.com - Discount Bodybuilding Supplements, Vitamins, Weightloss Products, and Bulk Nutritional Powders!

and the Xyience vitamins I have (2 months left)
Xytamins 30 packs of Complete Vitamins by Xyience

I do have a bit of high blood pressure (genetic) and am being treated by an antihypertensive and diuretic.

Do you guys think I should load up on Hawthorne berry? Is that something you can grab at CVS or a vitamin shop? I have read a lot about it but never heard of it before.

Any insight or help is appreciated...thanks!

You should load up on HB (Standardized) prior to any cycle. If you tend to have higher BP you could also add CoQ10 and Blood Pressure Support (forgot who makes it), however, I would advise against running any hormonal compounds that will effect your BP. The only compound that has not bothered me and I do have HBP is Bold.

You're PCT is overkill and also poorly chosen. You do not need to be running a SERM on this one but if you do for some reason (I would opt for Clomid) then you do not need 40 mg ED of Nolva. Run it 20/20/10/10 if anything. Personally I would go with an OTC product like SNS's PCT Stack or go the 6-bromo route.

Your goals are pretty unrealistic. Perhaps you should work on your diet and training and get your BF a little lower before you try to recomp. 4% is just not going to happen. The most i've pulled was 1.8% and that was BUSTING it.

Also, you mentioned you are on a diuretic... probably not something you want to be on when water intake is crucial during and after the cycle.

Erg... why 6 weeks? If you do not have experience with PHs I would opt for a 4 week cycle at the recommended dose of 50 mg ED to see how you respond.

My 0.02