First Cycle Advice!!!

[vic]

Am taking Hawthorne Berry for 2 weeks, then starting M-Drol for 3 weeks. PCT will consist of Blue Up, Reduce XT, Novadex XT, and a Liver Detox.....Do I have everything covered for a safe, effective cycle?? Gathered advice from other sites, and this one, to put this together. Any suggestions appreciated!@!

[shiznu]

I dont think mdrol is a good choice for a first cycle but if your intent on running it I would pick up a serm. Also need to give your stats and what other supporting supps you will be taking. Mdrol can have alot of nasty sides from what I hear I wouldn't know I'm on my third ph cycle and I still haven't gotten brave enough to break the seal on my bottle. I'll let the experts chime in here though.

[Gixxer82]

Originally Posted by shiznu

I dont think mdrol is a good choice for a first cycle but if your intent on running it I would pick up a serm. Also need to give your stats and what other supporting supps you will be taking. Mdrol can have alot of nasty sides from what I hear I wouldn't know I'm on my third ph cycle and I still haven't gotten brave enough to break the seal on my bottle. I'll let the experts chime in here though.

Yeah, hes definitely going to need a serm, preferably toremifine.

[Right Hook]

The main concern in PCT after the use of M drol is lipids imho. So add supps like niacin and read Dinoiii's PCT supplements in practice thread.

PCT: A Clinician's View Part III - Post Cycle Supplements In Practice

[vic]

Thanks guys....as for me, I'm 33, 5'9 165, in good shape, but lost some size and strength due to weight cutting for amature mma, and submission grappling. Want to put some back. I know two guys I work with who are running M now, and they knew nothing about it, and have never done any cycles before. Both state they are having great strength and size gains, and only problem is cramping and feeling really tight.They just got word from the gym, and gave it a go. I figure I will be safer than them!!!

[growstrong]

Taurine and lots of water will help a little bit with the cramping bro.

[vic]

How common is Gyno with M-drol!!?? I figured the stuff I had set up for PCT would be enough to kill that estrogen,,,

[shiznu]

Originally Posted by growstrong

Taurine and lots of water will help a little bit with the cramping bro.

x2 on this for sure. Also if your concerned with bp you may wanna throw in some coq-10 as well. As far as gyno is concerned like gixxer said I would deff. wanna use a serm on this one.

[lennoxchi]

drop the nova, and get some NOLVA or torm as already advised, as far as estro goes it's been suggested to me and after thinking about it for a minute it makes sense, and that advise was/is, running trione (6-OXO) inverse with your SERM, example:after the last day of your cycle start (we'll just use NOLVA for this example) your SERM 40mgs. for 3 days 30 for 4 days, 20 for 2 weeks then 10 for a week, trione- starting at 200mg for 3 days then 300 for 4 days, 400 for 2 weeks then 500 for 1 week......at this point most would say their PCT is done correct? NO! continue to ramp down your trione for another 4 weeks, 400 for the 1st week then 300,200,100....done, this will (God willing) prevent any rebound issues that might happen, the dosages are just suggestions, other here might have other dosing suggestions but these should be close. hope this helps.

[ValorOfOne]

Seriously, Gyno is the least of your worries. You should be more worried about a complete shutdown and a toasted liver.

I've ran SD without a serm- Do I recommend it? Hell no. I was fortunate to avoid a shutdown while on SD, I never experienced any liver complications. Though I did experience hell from backpumps.

Regardless, I will piggyback on Gix's post. A serm should always be ON HAND incase of emergency. If you are uncomfortable with using something that is less then legal, at least have it on hand incase you HAVE to use it. If that isn't an issue, I suggest using the Serm to speed up the recovery process. Just make sure you don't Misuse the serm.. As this is more likely to fuck you up then the lack of a pct ever could.

Gyno from SD. Doesn't happen.
Gyno from Shitty PCT after SD(Or any other PH/PS). Happens all the time.

Honestly, I think 50% of people who claim they have gyno are full of shit. I think most get gyno from the uneeded use of a Serm to treat their nonexistent Gyno.

Thats my 0.02. Don't care if you don't agree, its nothing but my opinion.