New to PH/DS looking for a little advice.

Cooker · 08-10-2008, 05:50 PM

As the title says I am new to PH/DS however I have been doing some research about them. I guess I never really looked and/or researched them much is because I always thought I would rather do a cycle of non-OTC AAS as compared to the OTC variety. I am familiar with the idea and products associated with cycle support and PTC. And I am in my 30's so age is not an issue.

With that out of the way, I am looking for suggestions for my first cycle. I was looking at Bold (at 600mg/day) and Furazadrol (at maybe 300mg/day). From what I have been able to determine thus fair these are two that are good for a first cycle. However I am tempted to go run Havoc as it appears that it is a very effective compound although some feel it might be a little too stong for a first cycle.

One thing that has been most confused is that I am on a cut at this time. I am ~245 and I want to cut to 220-225 (which will put me at 10-12%). Would it be best to wait to reach my target BF% or would running a cycle at this time help with my cutting while allowing me to add a few pound of muscle? As I said I am confused by this because generally I think I would want to "bulk" to get the most out of a cycle vs. trying to cut while on a cycle.

Sorry for the long post but for those who took the time to read it I would very much appreciate your advice.

Thank you.

**NateW** · 08-10-2008, 06:42 PM

Bump for ya man. From what I hear Halo clones are pretty decent on a cut. And that a lot of people wish they skipped PH/DS altogether.

LLLLern · 08-10-2008, 07:06 PM

its all in your goals if you want to bulk go with Bold if you want to cut go with Furazadrol

but if ya want to lean bul it go with epi-drol Fast action offers it as well as a bunch of others all that are great epi's

Cooker · 08-10-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NateW

. And that a lot of people wish they skipped PH/DS altogether.

and go straight to non OTC supps? or avoid both PH/DS and not OTC stuff all together?

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Originally Posted by LLLLern

its all in your goals if you want to bulk go with Bold if you want to cut go with Furazadrol

but if ya want to lean bul it go with epi-drol Fast action offers it as well as a bunch of others all that are great epi's

I really want to get to 10-12% so it sounds like Furazadrol might be my best bet for now.

Maybe I will just get to my BF goal and then lean bulk from there. I'm guessing that will yield the best results for my money spent.

Thank you

**NateW** · 08:54 PM

Spetsnaz · 08-11-2008, 06:53 AM

About non OTCs:-
Most non OTCs require you to pin.
And you need good suppliers, which could be spiked with something that have a longer half life that the substance reported on the label.
Plus its a serious criminal offence in the US if you get caught.
At effective levels that you will need a SERM, and that's another batch of illegal substances. How many have needed a SERM with H-Drol?
There are OTCs there gives good risk/reward profiles and bad ones. Take the good risk/reward profile ones and save yourself any potential trouble with the law.

mvasquez830 · 08-11-2008, 08:58 PM

Yeah, you are better off with supps. from the legal point of view. Alot of ph's give you good gains and are safe to take with an otc pct. As far as serms theres ways of attaining these chems from different places.
I faced a problem like you also was thinking of a steroids but, first you have to find a good supplier with legit stuff and won't get you into legal trouble also.
Anyways, best choice I think in my opinion is PH's.

Spetsnaz · 08-12-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mvasquez830

Yeah, you are better off with supps. from the legal point of view. Alot of ph's give you good gains and are safe to take with an otc pct. As far as serms theres ways of attaining these chems from different places.
I faced a problem like you also was thinking of a steroids but, first you have to find a good supplier with legit stuff and won't get you into legal trouble also.
Anyways, best choice I think in my opinion is PH's.

Hmm, I notice having to inject was an objection

hehehe

yeashescool · 08-14-2008, 12:34 PM

There is no bulking/cutting prohormone/DS that's all about your diet. You can loose weight, gain weight on anything just varying cals in vs cals out. First timer, you should continue to look into havoc, hdrol, bold, 11oxo, and 3ad. Good luck bro.

Cooker · 08-14-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by yeashescool

There is no bulking/cutting prohormone/DS that's all about your diet. You can loose weight, gain weight on anything just varying cals in vs cals out. First timer, you should continue to look into havoc, hdrol, bold, 11oxo, and 3ad. Good luck bro.

Thank you for the reply.

Yes I am aware that diet is #1. My question was mainly is it worth to do a cycle while on a cut. Since while cutting I would obviously be eating reduced calories I am curious just how effective a PH/DS would be at this time.