Problem with SD pro-hormone cycle

[BullyBreeds66]

Thanks for all the info -
FYI - It's been 8 weekis since my last cycle ended.

Since using the SD I have to say I've lost motavation to hit the gym, I still go & once I get there training go's well, just don't want to do that first set. This never happened before & the first 3 day's on the M-drol I was feeling good. Also I have been really sore after my workout, I mean I'm older so I'm always a little sore but not like this.
Since I've only been on for 2 weeks can I just do the next 2 weeks of M-drol and I would like to add the Epistane for the last 3 weeks of the 6 week cycle.
Like this:

Week 1 & 2 SD 10mg 1st week 20mg 2nd week
week 3 switch to M-drol (please advise on anount to use)
week 4 M-drol & Epistane (please advise on dose)
Week 5 & 6 Epistane only (Please advise on dose)

Then PCT / I have Nolva (serum) / Inhibit-E / Blue-up test booster
Could someone advise on best way to run this?
I also was thinking of adding creatine - EFX Kre-Alkalyn caps - I have never used Creatine
& thought it would be nice to start during PCT
Any thoughts?

Sorry for all the info, I just want to do the correct way.
Thanks to all!!!

[bitterplacebo]

I think if you want to continue maybe you should just do:
7 days of 20 mg M-Drol
7 days of 30 mg M-Drol

And then proceed to PCT. Go ahead and use creatine during PCT.

This way, depending on the potency of your 1st two weeks of SD, you'll be on one of the two extremes of SD cycles: conservative or bordering on reckless. I just wouldn't feel good about telling you to extend it any longer.

[bitterplacebo]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

plain clear caps, pretty small, white powder

I may as well put on my flameproof pants for this but In general real superdrol doesn't make for huge strength gains. Its an almost entirely anabolic and minimally androgenic so it doesn't make sense for big gains. You'll get some, but nothing outstanding directly from the superdrol.

That said, with proper diet and training in control at your dosing you probably should have seen at least a 3-4lb gain. bitterplacebo is right, you generally feel something from superdrol or a clone from day 1. Its usually negatives that you feel, like lethargy, back pumps, etc, but they do appear right away.

Yeah, I read a lot that says SD is supposed to be about explosive strength gains.

I didn't see any, myself, having just finished a mdrol cycle.
Didn't give me superhuman strength or anything.
Just really good recovery and strong drive to workout.

Back pumps started becoming an issue during week 2. My last deadlifting workout only allowed me to do 2 sets before crippling me.

Another side that I noticed was quad cramps -- after a day of squatting, if I flex my quad too suddenly, my entire leg painfully locks up.

[BullyBreeds66]

Thanks,
I think I know what to do, but i do have 2 more questions if you don't mind.

1. Can I switch to the M-Drol as suggested & would it be safe to add the epistane with the 2 weeks of M-drol, then do just the epistane for another 2 weeks after M-Drol discontinued?
This would make for a total of 6 weeks on, 1st 4 weeks SD/M-Drol and with week 3&4 add Epistane then continue Epistane tappering down for final 2 weeks of 6 week cycle.

2. Help with PCT - I have Nolva (serum) / Blue up test booster / Inhibit-E
What is the best layout for this.

Sorry for so many questions, but I've never had people to help with all this.

Thanks again,
BB66

[swolloniron]

Lets look at a few points not clearly addressed:

Weight based dosing (aka volume of distribution): OK - your considerably heavier than I am (I'm low 240s, your 260s) and I need a min of 20 but really 30mg SD to get results.

Carbohydrates: You need a shit load. What ever you are eating carb wise, add 50-100% min. SD depends on carbs in many ways. Think of taking SD as putting your body in a state of constant glycogen super compensation. Its highly effective.

Your "motivational" issues are common on SD. Ignore them. Go to the gym. Force feed yourself. Feeling like crap (at 30-40mg ED of SD) is not worth it to fuck with too frequently, you need to make the most of this cycle. Eat!

There is most likely nothing wrong with your current product. Esp if you received it sealed with a near or expired date. Just add carbs, jump up to 30mg add more carbs....and more carbs....and more, until you are gaining 1-2lbs every 3-4 days min.

[BullyBreeds66]

I never know anything about increasing the carbs + I've only been on 20 mg. for a week / week befor 10mg, so your thought on my weight (260lbs.) makes a lot of sense.

Thank you !!!!

PS - What are back pumps???

[NateW]

you back just gets extremely pumped to the point where it is painful

[bitterplacebo]

Good point about adding carbs, Swoll.

I think if one was monitoring their body composition closely, you can stop adding carbs into your SD cycle once you start gaining much fat. That is, if you really care about that sort of thing.

I did probably almost double my carb intake on mdrol, though. My bodyfat increased a couple percent.

[nighttrain]

ok Bully, i would bump the dose to 30mg for the last 2 weeks...(you are 260lbs) ( that is where i really like the SD)
you should be able to switch to the m-drol if you think the SD isnt any good, basically they are the same compound. and i have run SD/ EPI cycle you should be alright running the the over lap at weeks 3-4 and then 2 more weeks of EPI plain... just keep an eye on what your body is telling you... if you dont feel right at any point stop and go into PCT. '

my PCT from the M-drol cycle i just ran is 3 caps inhibit ea day and 3caps of Restore, PCT is comming along just fine, but i always keep a bottle of Nolva on hand just in case.

hope this helps out and maybe answers some questions..

'Train