Problem with SD pro-hormone cycle

BullyBreeds66 · 10-26-2008, 02:22 AM

I am new to lean bulk so if I am not conforming to the rules please advise & sorry.

I am in same type of situation.

I've been on a original superdrol cycle for 2 weeks / week 1 10mg. per day
week 2 - 20 mg. per day & no real gains to speak of.
Can I switch to m-drol and discontinue superdrol?
I also have a bottle of epistane, Methandrol-50 & a bottle of Tren xtreme - do you recomend adding any of these -- If so how do you advise doing so?

FYI - weight 260
Age - 42
Height - 5'11
Training - each body part once a week + 4 days 20 min. cardio.

with the epistane - can this be used as a PCT ?
Thank you for any help you can offer.

**NateW** · 10-26-2008, 02:46 AM

I wouldnt take 2 methyls at once and Epistane is NOT for pct. I'll let some of the other guys chime in here as I dont know too much about superdrol but some might say to just wait it out. Are you feeling the compound at all and just havent made gains yet? or are you not feeling anything from it?

And Welcome to LB!

BullyBreeds66 · 10-26-2008, 02:52 AM

Thank you for your fast reply & help, so I could add the epistane to the cycle now.
I was going to do 4 weeks of SD (original), I've done almost 2, could I do 3 weeks of epistane,
Do week 3 & 4 with SD, then finish with 2 weeks of just epistane which would equal 6 weeks?

Thank you

**NateW** · 10-26-2008, 02:54 AM

Im not really that educated in the pro-hormones so I wont make any reccomendations. But I can guarantee you people will respond tomorrow.

BullyBreeds66 · 10-26-2008, 02:59 AM

Hey -
Thanks again for your help & hope to hear from you again some time.

Bullybreeds66

DAdams91982 · 10-26-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BullyBreeds66

Thank you for your fast reply & help, so I could add the epistane to the cycle now.
I was going to do 4 weeks of SD (original), I've done almost 2, could I do 3 weeks of epistane,
Do week 3 & 4 with SD, then finish with 2 weeks of just epistane which would equal 6 weeks?

Thank you

Well first, lets figure out your SD issues.

Have you gained a few pounds pretty quick at the start? SD makes the body build its glycogen stores up, making your muscles looking nice and full. How about strength... Any change in those in the first few weeks? Appetite... etc.

Epistane is NOT for PCT, it is a anabolic in its own right, and will cause further supression.

Answer those and we can get you squared away.

Adams

bitterplacebo · 10-26-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DAdams91982

Well first, lets figure out your SD issues.

Have you gained a few pounds pretty quick at the start? SD makes the body build its glycogen stores up, making your muscles looking nice and full. How about strength... Any change in those in the first few weeks? Appetite... etc.

Epistane is NOT for PCT, it is a anabolic in its own right, and will cause further supression.

Answer those and we can get you squared away.

Adams

I'd like to tack on a few questions with regard to explaining the SD situation...

How are gains being measured?
What was your starting percent body fat?
What's your diet like? Did it change any during the cycle?

You should measure both scale weight and percent body fat composition to measure 'gains'. Could it be the case that you lost fat while gaining 'lean' weight, such that your scale weight stayed the same?

BullyBreeds66 · 10-26-2008, 08:38 AM

Thanks for your input & here are some answers to the questions being asked.

I have no idea what my body fat % is but it has always been on the high side. I've never been one to get all cut up & that's ok, if I can just add some strength & size then I am pleased.
My diet has changed for the cycle by increasing my protein intake per day, shack in the AM & one after workout or on non lifting day's one in the PM. I eat overall healthy normally & while on increase protein + tighten up on the health aspect like more vegies, rice, fruit & cut out the sweets.

I did all the support supps for about a week or more pre-cycle, consisting of:

Hawthorn berry
Saw palmetto
Red yeast rice
Milk Thistle
Liv-52
Magnesium
Calcium/Potasium (for cramping)

As far as how I am determining I'm not gaining is:
For one I've done 2 other PH cycles - Tren xtreme by ACL alone & one of a Phera Phlex clone.
I yeilded great strength gains on the Tren cycle & more size gains on the Phera cycle.
I know the feeling I have had in the past when using these products & I'm just not feeling anything. I thought while using original Superdrol I would yeild some good gains.

You may think I'm crazy to ask but what does a cap of original Superdrol look like, I know it's a cap but what would the color be? (just want to make sure - long shot)

One last thing to mention is the first 3 days of cycle I used M-Drol, I then at the last minute received a bottle of superdrol. Since M-Drol is a Superdrol clone I thought no harm done by switching after only a few days. I know this sounds crazy but I felt the M-Drol a little on the 3rd day, I know probably just a placebo feeling, but I don't think so & once I switched over feeling stopped cold.

FYI - I also want to mention I took more time off between my first cycle & second cycle then I did between my 2nd cycle & this one, I still did the off time equals the time on + PCT time, which equaled 6 week cycle - 4 week PCT then 10 weeks off.

I think I covered everything asked. Thank you for any input on the above.
Thank you !!!!!

bitterplacebo · 10-26-2008, 09:34 AM

I don't think it's crazy that you felt something from M-Drol on the 3rd day.
I'm usually aware of at least a minor effect from day 1.

Yeah, maybe you should question the legitimacy of the Superdrol.
Or at least how it was stored? Maybe someone had it sitting in the sunlight for these couple years?
I'm not a Superdrol expert; I'll need to defer.

You could use the testes test, maybe? -- Do your nuts feel smaller?

EasyEJL · 10-26-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullyBreeds66

You may think I'm crazy to ask but what does a cap of original Superdrol look like, I know it's a cap but what would the color be? (just want to make sure - long shot)

plain clear caps, pretty small, white powder

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullyBreeds66

As far as how I am determining I'm not gaining is:
For one I've done 2 other PH cycles - Tren xtreme by ACL alone & one of a Phera Phlex clone.
I yeilded great strength gains on the Tren cycle & more size gains on the Phera cycle.
I know the feeling I have had in the past when using these products & I'm just not feeling anything. I thought while using original Superdrol I would yeild some good gains.

FYI - I also want to mention I took more time off between my first cycle & second cycle then I did between my 2nd cycle & this one, I still did the off time equals the time on + PCT time, which equaled 6 week cycle - 4 week PCT then 10 weeks off.

I think I covered everything asked. Thank you for any input on the above.
Thank you !!!!!

How much time did you take off between the prior cycle and this one? I'm a little lost on that. It could be a factor particularly if it was the phera cycle (due to strength of phera more than anythine else)

I may as well put on my flameproof pants for this but In general real superdrol doesn't make for huge strength gains. Its an almost entirely anabolic and minimally androgenic so it doesn't make sense for big gains. You'll get some, but nothing outstanding directly from the superdrol.

That said, with proper diet and training in control at your dosing you probably should have seen at least a 3-4lb gain. bitterplacebo is right, you generally feel something from superdrol or a clone from day 1. Its usually negatives that you feel, like lethargy, back pumps, etc, but they do appear right away.

And for knowledge sake none of these are PHs, they are steroids. currently only AMS, LG and Ergopharm sell anything that is a PH, and comically in a way they are basically all selling pretty straightforward variations on the same thing.