1st cycle. I have the size, please give me the tools!

[Chiefo]

Hello All,
I have spent some time lurking, and there doesn't seem to be a great deal of consensus, although i can definitely tell that a great many of you are very knowledgeable.

Stats:
22 years old
6'2"
242 lbs.
Bench: 375 lbs.
Squat: 550 (as of last January.. knee injury that may never get better!)
40 yd: 4.58 (@ 228 lbs)

I have been lifting since I was 15, all natural. I'm an ex-college football player, so I've been around Steroids and a ton of other prohormones- but no one ever seemed to really know why what they were doing was working. I wanted to continue to pursue my genetic potential, and I've hit a flat wall with my bench and mass gains are becoming EXTREMELY hard to come by. My diet and training have always been great.

I want to cycle some Prohormones, and I was thinking of a simple M-Drol/P-Plex cycle but I am EXTREMELY concerned about PCT.

I am more familiar with extensive PCTs on the order of Nolvadex/Proviron/HCG/Clenbuterol...and I'd rather take an over the counter PCT- is this possible?

I am also concerned about Gynocemastia...will this be an issue on this cycle?

In summary, I'm looking for:
1. 1st Cycle suggestions
2. On cycle support supplements (and gyno prevention)
3. Detailed (preferably legal) PCT

I know this is a lot to ask from you guys, and I'm obviously going to continue searching and reading on this and other forums...but when i do something, I want it to be perfect...and history has taught me that the best answers come from actual responses to specific questions, not generalizations.

THANKS!
-Chiefo

[hardcorefitness]

You definately DO NOT want to go with a mdrol/pplex bridge, let alone either compound for your first cycle. They are very harsh compounds, not for beginners. For a first cycle look into a 5-6 week h-drol or epi cycle. an otc pct will suffice for this. For support sups grab a bottle of CEL Cycle Assist. Make sure you preload also. Don't be afraid to search for this, there are a ton of threads idential to this one.

[mvasquez830]

preload hawthorne berries for starters at least for first 2 weeks at 1000mg daily before starting your ph for starters then dont forget to keep takins a CycleSupport or CycleAssist throughtout the ph run only not needed on pct.

[Chiefo]

Originally Posted by mvasquez830

preload hawthorne berries for starters at least for first 2 weeks at 1000mg daily before starting your ph for starters then dont forget to keep takins a CycleSupport or CycleAssist throughtout the ph run only not needed on pct.

Also thank you @ hardcorefitness

Right after I posted this I found exactly what I think I'm looking for.

My only concern is that I'm not going to see gains based on the fact that I'm already...well, pretty damn big!

Here's what I'm thinking:

PRELOAD:
Hawthorne berries? (Do I stay on 1000mg/day during cycle as well?)

-ON CYCLE

-H Drol - 50/50/50/50 (maybe 50/75/75/50?) (2 caps@25mg a DAY for 4 weeks...Taken morning/Night?)
-Cycle Support - 2 servings per day am/pm
-Multi Vitamin
-Liv 52

PCT
-6 0X0 - 300mg/300mg/300mg/300mg
-Cycle Support (mvasquez830 says this is superfluous...it won't hurt either though,
will it?)
-Liv 52
-TEST BOOSTER (can someone recommend one?)


I'm thinking this is the basis of a good cycle...feedback?
Like I said, I will follow advice as exactly as I am physically able, but I'm worried that I won't see results based on my existing size.

Also, is gyno a concern with this substance? Will 6-Oxo take care of it and should I think about taking it ON cycle as well?...I don't have access to a SERM or "real" Nolvadex...thoughts?

-Chiefo

[nighttrain]

Chiefo, cycle doesnt sound bad, and it probally wont cause gyno. but it is always a possibility, best thing to do is if your ready, run the cycle, if you have signs of gyno stop and go directly into PCT. I always run my support supps prior to, during and thru PCT. i have never run a halo cycle so dosing.... i dont know, but you are a big boy i would start out low maybe 50mg ED and ram it up after the first week if your not feeling it..... just my advice

oh yeah i would run the hawthorne at 1500mg ED thru the cycle, maybe load at 1000mg and then when cycle starts go to 1500, again just my .02.... also i havent used cycle support.... hold on, lemme check... ok looks pretty solid, you might add some niacin and taurine... 1000-1500 niaicin and 3000mg-6000 taurine, maybe some omega 3s also..... i always push to the over safe when it comes to support supps

[hardcorefitness]

Originally Posted by Chiefo

Also thank you @ hardcorefitness

Right after I posted this I found exactly what I think I'm looking for.

My only concern is that I'm not going to see gains based on the fact that I'm already...well, pretty damn big!

Here's what I'm thinking:

PRELOAD:
Hawthorne berries? (Do I stay on 1000mg/day during cycle as well?)

-ON CYCLE

-H Drol - 50/50/50/50 (maybe 50/75/75/50?) (2 caps@25mg a DAY for 4 weeks...Taken morning/Night?)
-Cycle Support - 2 servings per day am/pm
-Multi Vitamin
-Liv 52

PCT
-6 0X0 - 300mg/300mg/300mg/300mg
-Cycle Support (mvasquez830 says this is superfluous...it won't hurt either though,
will it?)
-Liv 52
-TEST BOOSTER (can someone recommend one?)


I'm thinking this is the basis of a good cycle...feedback?
Like I said, I will follow advice as exactly as I am physically able, but I'm worried that I won't see results based on my existing size.

Also, is gyno a concern with this substance? Will 6-Oxo take care of it and should I think about taking it ON cycle as well?...I don't have access to a SERM or "real" Nolvadex...thoughts?

-Chiefo

at your size you will want to run the halo at a higher dose. Its a fairly mild compound as far as sides go. consider running it 50/75/75/75/75/75. are you prone to gyno, have you had it before? with halo gyno concerns are pretty unheard of, so an AI on cycle is not necessary. If it is a real concern you ( and you run the cycle longer than 4 weeks @ 50) then run your 6oxo in pct 600/300/300/300.

cycle support is not necessary during pct, I just like to continue my liver support during pct. You will also want to get a natty test booster like hypertest and a cortisol blocker like lean xtreme.

ive got a halo cycle im running right now that im logging if you want to check out how im running it. links in the sig

and dont worry, just because your already a big guy, doesn't mean your body wont respond. You should be very impressed w/ the cycle.

[Chiefo]

First off thanks to everyone who responded.
Thanks esp. @ hardcorefitness for pointing out he was running a similar cycle.
Here's the "near" final draft....thoughts?


Preload:
Hawthorne Berry 1000mg ED (2 weeks)

ON:
CEL H-Drol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Hawthorne Berry 1500 mg ED
CEL Cycle Assist
Liv. 52
Niacin @1000mg ED
Taurine @ 3000 mg ED

PCT:
6 OXO (600/300/300/300)
Liv. 52
Hypertest (Booster)
Lean Xtreme (cortisol blocker)
Hawthorne Berry 1500mg ED

2 questions:
1. How long should PCT run..at least 6 weeks, right? so I should extend the 6-OXO to a 6 week dose...correct?

2. If I can't get over my fear of gyno...can I run 6 OXO while On cycle? If so..dosage?


Thanks for the help!
Chiefo

[nighttrain]

1. How long should PCT run..at least 6 weeks, right? so I should extend the 6-OXO to a 6 week dose...correct? PCT should be the same length as your cycle so if you run halp for 6 weeks then pct should equal 6 weeks

2. If I can't get over my fear of gyno...can I run 6 OXO while On cycle? If so..dosage? you need not fear the Gyno